Lockheed C-5 Galaxy design & build

[nando]

I'm looking for those drawings for a while without success, but I saw them in this forum (http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=179002).

I can see in the pictures all the information I need for try to design a paper model: profile, plant, ribs,details, ...

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk238/loveliners/DSCF1121.jpg


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk238/loveliners/DSCF1128.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk238/loveliners/DSCF1136.jpg

I love the Galaxy and I would like to design and build a paper model of it.

I tried to contact the author of the model, but invain.

Can someone help me, giving the information where can I find those drawings? I think that they came from a polish magazine, which one is it and where can I buy it? Or If someone got them, can he share them with me? :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance, :D

Nando

[nando]

Thanks to the courtesy of a member of this forum I finaly got the drawing that I was looking for.

As soon as I received the drawings, I started trying to draw the model.
Here are some pictures of the first tests.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TOBgpeMx2jI/AAAAAAAABfc/nDRM1kgYV-Q/s800/14112010%2023.09.36.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TOBgqkZt6AI/AAAAAAAABfc/GrbasB9guhc/s800/14112010%2023.14.50.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TOBgr-XWxHI/AAAAAAAABfg/JwJDEeESFIY/s800/14112010%2023.18.47.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TOBgtBdlHBI/AAAAAAAABfg/DyIxO12jUhI/s800/14112010%2023.23.12.jpg

It is much more difficult to obtain flat surfaces developed that reproduce well the curves of the giant, in comparison with the rectilinear surfaces of the Sopwith.

Now I have a long and difficult road ahead, and I will keep you informed of progress.

Best regards, Nando :)

[RyanShort]

Thanks to the courtesy of a member of this forum I finaly got the drawing that I was looking for.

As soon as I received the drawings, I started trying to draw the model.
Here are some pictures of the first tests.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TOBgpeMx2jI/AAAAAAAABfc/nDRM1kgYV-Q/s800/14112010%2023.09.36.jpg
It is much more difficult to obtain flat surfaces developed that reproduce well the curves of the giant, in comparison with the rectilinear surfaces of the Sopwith.

Now I have a long and difficult road ahead, and I will keep you informed of progress.

Best regards, Nando :)
That looks really good! Is there any way I could get a copy of the drawing, too? I live here in San Antonio and we've got two C-5 squadrons here and a good friend of mine is one of the top training pilots. I'd like to try and build a wooden one sometime from the drawings.

Ryan

[Krzychu74]

Hello!
You will have a lot of work, but for the end the reward will for you the view of the beautiful aircraft, and a great model. :)
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Good luck nando! :)

Best regards.
Krzychu74

[Ashrunner]

The design is looking great. The nose section looks perfect.

My first encounter with Fat Albert was on my birthday in 1970. The first visit of one to Elmendorf AFB in Alaska, caused a bit of a problem with us fuels troopers.

At the time, the aircraft could only be parked in one area and that area had no hydrant refueling capability. So we had to gas the C-5 with trucks, capable of pushing out 4,500 gallons at a time. Nine truckloads were required to fill it.

Our dispatcher sent out three of us and I was the third. When the first truck was done, it would depart and go to the "fill farm" and resupply, then get in line again. This went on until on the ninth trip, my third, that the flight engineer gave the all full signal.

We we pulled our trucks up the bird to refuel (the single-point receptacles were located in the bulge where the main gear were), we maneuvered our truck along the pilot's side of the fuselage towards the wing, then we would cut the wheel and aim the truck out of the way should it jump into gear (which happened once in a while). The path would take the truck under the wing between the two engines.

It amazed me as to how high the wing was and how large the engine intake was. As the refueling went on, I would stare up at the intake and listen to the fan blades turn, all the time shaking my head as to the size of the entire aircraft.

Not long after we finished refueling the aircraft, it began taxiing to the departure end of the runway. Our entire section went out to the porch to watch the aircraft take-off. To this day I still think I could have out run the C-5 when it finally lifted off. It looked like it was going so slow it would never get airborne.

The next day we were given marching orders...get a quick way to refuel the C-5 as quick as possible. The aircraft would be one of the aircraft the Combat Pacers would handle on the other side of the base.

I was transferred to that side of the base and helped set up a portable refueling system for the C-5 on the far side of the base. After that, the C-5 had minimum ground time, meaning it had to leave as soon as possible. The quickest we were able to turn the aircraft around was 48 minutes, comparable to the turn-around times of bases setup to handle the aircraft.

Years later on a hop from San Antonio to the San Fransisco area, a group of us travelers played a game of half-court basketball in the cargo bay of the bird. Had to hand it to the reservists who set that up in the belly of the beast. 8v)

[Cybermac]

Hello!

C-5 model... The idea is great as Fat Albert is great!:)

Good luck and everything best with your model!

How about scale of your model? 1:72 would be nice!

[nando]

Sorry for the delay in answering your kind comments and encouragements.

In those days I was sick and now I'm just taking a bit normal activity.

This pause allowed me to reflect on the project and I decided a more gradual approach. So I started to draw the GE TF-39 (with a drawing I realize all four engines in one go! )

For now I set the scale of the project at 1 / 144. In this way the model should be about 0.50 meters long (near 21 inches), with a wingspan of 0.47 m (near 19 inches).

I think that the 1 / 72 scale, that Cybermac porposed, is very challenging for me: from the engineering point of view (large size involves the design of a structure that would ensure the proper stiffness and dimensional accuracy). On the side of detailing, big model involves bigger accurancy in detailing, more documentation, etc.

I have to resolve a lot of problems in rendering the complex shapes of the Fat Albert, so i think that a more humble attitude would be preferable.

A special thanks to Ashrunner for the first hand tale about the impressive dimension and the difficulties to feed the giant.

For now here attached the first version of the TF-39 1C.

I think that this will be a long ... long-term project.

Best regards, Nando

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPE3D7X81-I/AAAAAAAABhE/ikzKE1NMW-g/s800/TF-39%2027112010%2017.51.08.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPE3FhFoAhI/AAAAAAAABhg/YNBlUx0bCFQ/s800/TF-39%2027112010%2017.49.30.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPE3GqbgaGI/AAAAAAAABhM/zrlYJWaVs4U/s800/TF-39%2027112010%2017.50.04.jpg

[assafm25]

ooo

this bird looks really nice
:)

[tedparkes]

great work, but i guess im missing why you keep calling it fat albert? Fat albert is a C-130, if thats the reference you are making...

[Gil]

Hi Nando,

I can see why you've decided this is a long term project..,

http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/../gallery/data/500/medium/Fuse-Fat-Albert-r1.jpg (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:;)

The above is from a surface development exercise performed 3 years ago..., It's one of my long term projects also...,

Both the C-5 Galaxy and the C-130 Hercules are sometimes referred to as "Fat Albert" though it's more usual to hear it for the C-5.

Best regards, +Gil

[Ashrunner]

great work, but i guess im missing why you keep calling it fat albert? Fat albert is a C-130, if thats the reference you are making...

Fat Albert is the nickname given to the C-5A by USAF personnel...and believe me, the Galaxy is one, fat bird...and hungry. 8v)

Not sure when the Marines began calling the C-130 "Fat Albert," but according to the Wikipedia thing, it began in 1991. If true, the nickname was stolen from the C-5A, as we were calling it "Fat Albert" in 1970 when I was waiting in line with my R-5 Refueler...and it wasn't something we made up that day.

Besides, who in their right mind would consider a C-130 Hercules a 'fat' aircraft?

[tedparkes]

I was specifically referring to the blue angels support aircraft, which is named Fat Albert.

[Ashrunner]

I was specifically referring to the blue angels support aircraft, which is named Fat Albert.

I know...that aircraft is operated by US Marine Corps.

[nando]

Geometry completed

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPLJA3ryoSI/AAAAAAAABiI/WDakIwx_CNU/s800/28112010%2022.17.40.jpg

First unroll

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPLJISchAvI/AAAAAAAABiM/APGD0lVrenI/s800/TF-30_Beta000.jpg



http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPLk7Si8JdI/AAAAAAAABic/MfiEfcGTd34/s800/IMG_1303.JPG

Alfa test

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPV-un29BuI/AAAAAAAABi8/zHjAbMUaTnY/s400/AlfaTest001.jpghttp://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPV-v3ODkLI/AAAAAAAABjA/VGfPDTI9RYE/s400/AlfaTest002.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPV-w2VWq7I/AAAAAAAABjE/yOKrq8-Xmd8/s400/AlfaTest003.jpghttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPV-x052-tI/AAAAAAAABjI/UaVqfGkMpig/s400/AlfaTest004.jpg

I think that I have to simplify the model. Then, using a thinner paper and tabs, we can make easier the build process.

Best Reards,
Nando

[peter taft]

A marvellous aircraft indeed, and your project here will keep you busy for quite a while - looking very good thus far. Glad to see our Ashrunner is in the house - he knows a thing or two about BIG birds :) ;) Will enjoy this thread very much, and look forward to your next instalment :)

[tedparkes]

You could always just print it bigger :D

[Zathros]

Nando, that is one beautiful engine nacelle assembly and mounting pylon. Too bad the thread could not be renamed C-5 Galaxy design, build or something like that. Did you join the nacelle segments using the thin strips? They fit extremely well. Very clean workmanship and design.

[rickstef]

the thread can be renamed, one just has to ask the right persons nicely for the change...........................

[nando]

Thank you all for the interest and the encouragements.

... Did you join the nacelle segments using the thin strips? ...

No, I just glued the parts accosting them each other: I used a thick paper (160 g/m2). It's a quick and dirty build, just to see if there were some changes to do in the geometry and in the way I tought the model could be assembled. The next version will be with the strips and thinner paper (80 g/m2).

You could always just print it bigger :D

Obviously, but it depends from the way i'll design the textures (vectored or bitmapped), and here I still have some problem with the sw I use (inkscape).

the thread can be renamed, one just has to ask the right persons nicely for the change...........................

rickstef, please, could You rename the thread "Lockheed C-5 Galaxy design & build" ?

Thanks in advance,
Nando

[nando]

Some simplification & Texture ...
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPezGF_jQrI/AAAAAAAABj4/B1ZlA-RIdbI/s400/02122010%2015.55.17.jpghttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPezE1TyT4I/AAAAAAAABj0/SkBwKhfKx4o/s400/02122010%2015.55.44.jpg

Another draft ...

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPe0YEhZN2I/AAAAAAAABkI/q-gxJpZw1vk/s400/TF39_02_001.jpg

Best, Nando

[SJPONeill]

You...know...if you upsized that engine to 1/33, Peter could fit it to his BUFF and start on a later Megafortress!!!

Wikipedia is wrong re referring to the C-130 as Fat Albert, certainly for the Blue Angels support aircraft...I recall it being referred as this in the 80s when the Italeri Blue Angels C-130 came out in 1/72 and/or 1/72...

[peter taft]

You...know...if you upsized that engine to 1/33, Peter could fit it to his BUFF and start on a later Megafortress!!!

Wikipedia is wrong re referring to the C-130 as Fat Albert, certainly for the Blue Angels support aircraft...I recall it being referred as this in the 80s when the Italeri Blue Angels C-130 came out in 1/72 and/or 1/72...

OMG :eek: Nice idea SJ. :) ;)

[SJPONeill]

...and there very best thing is that there is very little artwork of the Megafortresses (opsec issues, I guess!!) apart from a couple of artists interpretations on book covers so you could build it solely as your interpretation of the descriptions in the book...big, black, seamless, pointy nose, V-tail and more weapons than Chuck Norris on a grumpy day...

[Ashrunner]

Wikipedia is wrong re referring to the C-130 as Fat Albert, certainly for the Blue Angels support aircraft...I recall it being referred as this in the 80s when the Italeri Blue Angels C-130 came out in 1/72 and/or 1/72...

I figured Wikipedia was wrong. I know several bases I was stationed at hosted the Blue Angels for air shows, and the support aircraft came in. But we always referred to it as "the C-130."

I still think they stole the nickname from the C-5. 8v)

Nando, you're doing amazing work on the old boy. Have you thought of how you'll paint the Galaxy yet? Or is that something you're not concerned with yet?

[tedparkes]

"An all-Marine Corps crew of three officers and five enlisted personnel operate the Lockheed-Martin C-130T Hercules, affectionately known as Fat Albert Airlines. Fat Albert joined the team in 1970 and flies more than 140,000 miles each season. It carries more than 40 maintenance and support personnel, their gear and enough spare parts and communication equipment to complete a successful air show.
Fat Albert cruises at a speed of more than 320 knots (approximately 360 miles per hour) at 27,000 feet. Four Allison turboprop engines, which produce more than 16,000 shaft-horsepower, provide Fat Albert Airlines with the power to land and depart on runways as short as 2,500 feet.
At select show sites, Fat Albert demonstrates its jet-assisted takeoff (JATO) capability. Eight solid-fuel rocket bottles, four on each side, attached near the rear paratrooper doors thrust the Hercules skyward. Fired simultaneously, the JATO bottles allow the mammoth transport aircraft to takeoff within 1,500 feet, climb at a 45-degree angle, and propel it to an altitude of 1,000 feet in approximately 15 seconds. Getting Fat Albert airborne in minimal time and distance simulates conditions in hostile environments or on short, unprepared runways."


From the blue angels website...

[nando]

...
Have you thought of how you'll paint the Galaxy yet? Or is that something you're not concerned with yet?

One of the best things in designing a model is the looking for documentation. You learn a lot of things about its history, how does it work, how does people invent the way to use it, etc. Looking for which aircraft to represent I found the 69-0025: the Memphis Bell X. Here some pictures I collected ( very usefull the decal sheets). I always loved the nose art, and the Fat Albert (could I use this nickname? ;) ) is very poor of this kind of decoration. So the choice is nearly mandatory.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPgTNGFCkgI/AAAAAAAABlY/Pwq9-3ESCHg/s800/MemphisBelleX.jpg

Best, Nando

[kenlwest]

Looking good Nando!

Ken

[Ashrunner]

Any C-5 kit would be nice, as there really isn't a C-5 in card yet.

Personally, I would like to see one in its original paint scheme of white on gray. It was the way Fat Albert looked the first time I met him and the way I remember him.

It sure was a gorgeous bird looking like it does here (http://htka.hu/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/10.jpg).

[rbeach84]

Any C-5 kit would be nice, as there really isn't a C-5 in card yet.

Personally, I would like to see one in its original paint scheme of white on gray. It was the way Fat Albert looked the first time I met him and the way I remember him.

It sure was a gorgeous bird looking like it does here (http://htka.hu/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/10.jpg).

here in the forum! The only time I'd previously heard "Fat Albert" (other than coming from Bill Cosby) was in reference to the C-130 flown by the Blues. I suppose that is understandable being an ol' navel aviat-tore with limited exposure to the ways & wiles of blue suiter terminology. Certainly the moniker would apply to the C-5, perhaps as the "Fatter Albert" (?!):)

Still would like to get my grubbies on a decent of plans - I'd like to scratch one in 1:48.

[nando]

Some more texture ...

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPle9SDlcWI/AAAAAAAABms/XdIPxnDuR5k/s800/TF-39%2003122010%2022.19.22.jpg

More realistic ...

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPle-zvagxI/AAAAAAAABmw/ZXB2rVYFKIo/s800/TF-39%2003122010%2022.20.21.jpg

But only on the left side , for now ;).

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPlfAKWiEVI/AAAAAAAABm0/umJZisVgh9w/s800/TF-39%2003122010%2022.20.57.jpg

Next follow ....

Nando :)

[goodduck]

Wow! That's really nice. I should go learn how to texture in Sketch Up too.

[Ashrunner]

here in the forum! The only time I'd previously heard "Fat Albert" (other than coming from Bill Cosby) was in reference to the C-130 flown by the Blues. I suppose that is understandable being an ol' navel aviat-tore with limited exposure to the ways & wiles of blue suiter terminology. Certainly the moniker would apply to the C-5, perhaps as the "Fatter Albert" (?!):)

I'm sure there are a lot of slang from the other services that would throw me. I do remember getting a radio call asking something on the order of "How far are you guys on Fat Albert?" With my reply being "Truck 1 heading to the farm, Truck 2 preparing to connect." That day in June 1970 was the first time I had heard the term myself.

I was able to locate my 'clandestine' photos from that first encounter. I say clandestine as we had been told we weren't allowed to photograph anything while on the flightline and I had taken my cheap camera to get some photos of the aircraft. Security police had cordoned off the area around the aircraft and they had a couple of guards keeping an eye on things. So I would take a photo when I knew I wouldn't cause a problem.

The photos aren't great, but they are of an historic moment at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska. The trucks were our R-5 refuelers. In the photo of the engine, the yellow panel on the right side is the door to pumping compartment of my truck. I used it to shield me imaging the engine from the security policeman not far away.

[nando]

Texture almost complete

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPqDqUfbdkI/AAAAAAAABnk/meWJ8kV4ZTQ/s400/TF-39%2004122010%2019.06.04.jpghttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPqDsKOs0nI/AAAAAAAABno/LMbLAGG4sRM/s400/TF-39%2004122010%2019.06.24.jpghttp://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPqDtO45ThI/AAAAAAAABns/hXZ_MFYg1Sw/s400/TF-39%2004122010%2019.07.08.jpg

Ready for a beta test

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPqBl3H8BOI/AAAAAAAABnc/32t4s33njS8/s800/TF39_04_tabs001_reduced.jpg

Best, Nando

[nando]

Today I printed, cut, glued the first beta version.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPwYbQqqQCI/AAAAAAAABoo/LmFjo1GExHo/s400/IMG_1338.JPGhttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPwYc5OlMvI/AAAAAAAABos/x73Y5W-dfpU/s400/IMG_1339.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPwYehji8hI/AAAAAAAABo0/rJmIduXN6iw/s400/IMG_1340.JPGhttp://lh6.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TPwYZ2SupGI/AAAAAAAABok/_YmskE8WonY/s400/IMG_1342.JPG

It's enough for tonight. Tomorrow we will continue ...

Goodnight, Nando

[NYC Irishman]

I love your work!!!!

If we all asked nicely would you bump it up to 1/72....

Pretty please?

John

[nando]

I just completed the first beta build.
Some observation:


the paper I used is too tiny (80 gm2), may be ...
the tabs are very small

so the build process isn't easy, but the result (geometry, textures, general yield) it's good enough for me.

About the request of NYC Irishman, the engine could seem small, but the entire model could extend to 50 cm (21 inches) at the 1/144 scale, whereas at 1/72 could be 1 mt (41 inches) lenght. And what about 1/96? I think that a decisive argument could be the scale of an available model of the R-5 refuelers trucks, so we can reproduce the scene that Ashrunner described (thanks for the 'clandestine' photos) ;)

Thanks kenlwest for your comment, especially after I read elsewhere that my Astronaut inspired You. :)

Any comment, criticism, suggestion is welcome.

Best, Nando

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TP0sYcYvKbI/AAAAAAAABp0/fGcKVNSQjtQ/s800/IMG_1343.JPGhttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TP0sa0CoJFI/AAAAAAAABp4/nSASAEKSCuE/s800/IMG_1344.JPGhttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TP0scGqnw5I/AAAAAAAABp8/GjJGHyokcAw/s800/IMG_1346.JPG

[NYC Irishman]

I just saw that the plastic model world has done nuts over a 1/72 C-5 resin kit (1/72 scale Lockheed C-5B Galaxy - One of the world's largest airlifter (http://www.anigrand.com/AA9001_C-5B.htm)) thats at US$400 officially costs an arm and a leg, I was hoping that a paper modeler would rub it in by offering the same at a spectacularly reduced rate.

However Ill accept anything and be greatful, Its a smashing piece of work you have got there

John

[nando]

John, just to view how a C-5 at 1/144 appears, look at this (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal6/5501-5600/gal5539_C-5A_Seppala/00.shtm) p.....c model.

Nando

[NYC Irishman]

I hear you Nando..

Im moving to Scotland next month so Ill have time to build something big...How do I edit my screen name?

John

[nando]

Looking at the beta test It seemed to me that the shape of the forward part could be too round, like a barrel.
I verified with pictures and drawing and I modified this part. Now it seems to me better, and here below the comparison with the real one also. On the left upper corner the old version. At the center the new one and in the right upper corner the real one.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TP-nfjsr7RI/AAAAAAAABq0/VZF2o03R-Gs/s800/TF-39.jpg

I looked for the color and I found that we use the AMC Battle Grey (FS 1617): It seems to me too dark, but may be at the sun light it appears brighter.

Now another beta build, may be at 1/72 scale. By the way, I foreseen the reference for this scale also.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TP-pxkzC5cI/AAAAAAAABq8/uc8vWrNEY5g/s800/TwoPillars.jpg

Best, Nando

[legion]

Looks good, Nando! This'll be a MASSIVE plane, no matter the scale. Only thing tiny about it are its engines when comparing it to the whole plane!

[tedparkes]

Looking great Nando, thought I agree it looks a little dark. The new engine shape looks much closer to the real, although without the comparison I probably wouldnt have noticed. Cant wait to see the finished product.

[RyanShort]

I think the dark color actually looks about right...

Ryan

[RyanShort]

Here are some pictures I've taken locally... There are two C-5 squadrons nearby.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_VfWYKuy7i0k/TQBjQjReDII/AAAAAAAASOA/gE-HKtqADkI/s640/IMG_1173.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_VfWYKuy7i0k/TQBjRupoSYI/AAAAAAAASOE/qirSxIIV9uw/s640/IMG_1174.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_VfWYKuy7i0k/TQBjSp_3MiI/AAAAAAAASOI/W2x8DWXIxZw/s800/IMG_1175.JPG

More coming if I can find them.

Ryan

[RyanShort]

Login | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1733663947624&notif_t=video_processed)
A video... and more pictures....

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_VfWYKuy7i0k/TQBycNTh78I/AAAAAAAASO0/w40aR0rIPo0/s800/IMG_8226.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_VfWYKuy7i0k/TQBycsPuszI/AAAAAAAASO4/xm1ZrgYTHEI/s800/IMG_8227.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_VfWYKuy7i0k/TQBydMhOgQI/AAAAAAAASO8/mtyhO7kkYPc/s800/IMG_8228.JPG

Ryan

[RyanShort]

There are some other pictures in my Picasa web account... Here's another I shot last year.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_VfWYKuy7i0k/Sjj0Qiz5WgI/AAAAAAAAM1E/vFWgiDxMcE0/s800/IMG_2281.JPG

The direct link (and more pictures are there in the album) is here: Picasa Web Albums - Ryan M. Short (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/S8tQTAxH2bxbMvN7RdxaPw?feat=directlink)

Ryan

[Cybermac]

RyanShort - Fantastic pictures!!!
I wish I could do something similar one day with my big lens...

Nando - Great model to be, epecially if possible to do in 1:96 or 1:72...

Best regards

[nando]

Ryan, thanks for the beautiful photos. Almost always, the Galaxy is taken while on the ground or while flying but portrayed "officially". It is the first time I've seen the giant flying against the background of the land: the size of its shadow is awesome!

I saw in your gallery that You are master using Sketchup and Inkscape. I need Your help for the textures.
I use Pepakura designer to unfold the 3D model that I exported from SU, but then I'm not able to export the unfolded surfaces in vectored format that I can manage using Inkscape , so I have to export in bit mapped format, and the result is not scalable.
How can I solve this problem?

Thanks in advance, Nando

[RyanShort]

I'm not really that good at either SU or Inkscape at this point. I'm working mainly as a flight instructor here in town...

Inkscape CAN be used to create a vector out of a BMP - but you'd have to look up the process. I'm no expert at that.

BTW, here's one more picture I was looking for: Photos: Lockheed C-5A Galaxy (L-500) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/Lockheed-C-5A-Galaxy/1203468/L/)

My aerial photography boss got that shot one day while we were taking photos of another target. The C-5 just happened to be at the right place and time...

Ryan

[nando]

Ok Ryan, but I think that here most of us aren't professional designers: it's just an hobby.

BTW I completed the Beta 2 build.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TQJoh_XahTI/AAAAAAAABrs/t0csfQvQLGQ/s800/Evolution.jpg
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TQJpV_1ma8I/AAAAAAAABr0/Y6xlAGNlAcA/s800/Beta2.jpg

I think that now shape, color, texture are Ok and I can pass to another part of the project, but wich? I have to think about the general strategy: the easy part is ended.

Nando

[rbeach84]

My compliments to the chef!!

Very nice looking work, nAndo!

[papekuraviewer]

nando, it's a great job !
you do all teksturing and place marking in sketchup ??
waw,,, can you tell me how to do that,

please in simple english word, because my english is bad,, hhhee
thank's fiend :)

[peter taft]

Absolutely marvellous design skills showing here - keep up the great work in both the design and build :);)

[nando]

Thank You all for the appreciations.

papekuraviewer, I saw that You followed the link in my signature at the thread of my project of the Sopwith Swallow. BTW You can find more at this post (http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/design-threads/7116-sopwith-swallow-s-sketchup-pepakura-paint-net-story-restart-3.html#post106735). Don't esitate to ask me If You have any question.

In the mean time I continue to looking for Inkscape tutorials on internet, to improve the result of texturing.

In the following screen captures You can see the first result that I reached. I found the way to covert the raster image produced by Pepakura in a vectored one, and the comparison between the two type of images when You enlarge them. I also redesigned the stencils. So, if someone would like to enlarge the model... ;)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TQPhhnCbhwI/AAAAAAAABsQ/Zy9vjeMpS5o/s800/SVG%2011122010%2021.20.01.jpg
http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/%3Ca%20href=%22http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3aVg-qMdREULz9-OLfW3MQ?feat=embedwebsite%22%3E%3Cimg%20src=%22htt p://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TQPhhnCbhwI/AAAAAAAABsQ/Zy9vjeMpS5o/s144/SVG%2011122010%2021.20.01.jpg%22%20height=%2290%22 %20width=%22144%22%20/%3E%3C/a%3Ehttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TQPhimXbITI/AAAAAAAABsU/Ji-0J-9xdtM/s800/SVG%2011122010%2021.22.43.jpg

Nando

PS: the vectored ones are on the left, obviously.

[papekuraviewer]

thank's 4 your advice nando , i realy helped with your post,
and there is still i don't know, are you make that word in sketchup, and "stamp" in your model ??
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TQPhhnCbhwI/AAAAAAAABsQ/Zy9vjeMpS5o/s800/SVG%2011122010%2021.20.01.jpg
thank's alot :)

[RyanShort]

Nando,

Personally, I think I would do all of the panel lines and basic colors in SU - with the exception of placing a marker of some sort for the X and Y axis for alignment purposes, then leave the details like stencils for a dedicated layer in Inkscape. That way you just do it once, the details are sharp and crisp, etc...

Ryan

[nando]

thank's 4 your advice nando , i realy helped with your post,
and there is still i don't know, are you make that word in sketchup, and "stamp" in your model ??thank's alot

I don't well understand what You mean. If You refer to the TF-39 model, I used in SU the property "projected" of the texture and i put the image of the stencil on the side, then in Inkscape I overlapped the vectorial text on the raster image.

If You talk about the Stamps in the Sopwith thread, here below I resumed the process:

1) in SU make a cube and then transform it in a group
2) put some text (here an "A") on a face
3) transform the text from "component" to "group", then move the group to intersect the face of the cube.
4) select the cube group and edit it selecting all the faces, then click right mouse button, and select the option "intersect" the group "with the model"
5) hide or delete the text group
6) select on the face of the group the area stamped and colorize it.

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I hope this help You.

Nando,

Personally, I think I would do all of the panel lines and basic colors in SU - with the exception of placing a marker of some sort for the X and Y axis for

alignment purposes, then leave the details like stencils for a dedicated layer in Inkscape. That way you just do it once, the details are sharp and crisp,

etc...

Ryan

Ryan,
I agree with You. I hope that You all will be patient with me, but I have to learn a bunch of things, meanwhile I slowly progress with the design of the model.

Some note about the second beta: I used a paper, weighting 120 g/m2, thicker then the first one (80 g/m2), and I doubled it for some detail (eg. the round forms).

Nando

[nando]

This weekend was productive. I learned to use Inkscape a bit more and I released the first vectored PDF of the TF39.

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No tabs, no instructions but a scalable design with some stencil and panel.

I'd like to propose to Peter Taft to substitute one engine of his B-52 with my TF39. Ok we have to enlarge it 4,36 times (from 1/144 to 1/33), but could be a good test for his scalability.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/TF-39_on_JB-52E_closeup.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Boeing_JB-52E_%28SN_57-0119%29_in_flight_061127-F-1234S-026.jpg

In my research I found on the War Birds #36 this note about the nickname:

"... The C-5 was nicknamed "Fat Albert" after a comic character - a rotund youth with a small head perched a top a trunk of great girth held upright by stubby legs - an apt likeness when viewed from the front. Detractors dubbed it "Fred", for Fantastic Ridicolous Economic Disaster - the version for polite company (DoD)"

http://biomania.yolasite.com/resources/fat-albert.jpg

May be someone at the Blue Angels knew the comic character and saw the same likeness with the C-130.

Nando

[SJPONeill]

I'd like to propose to Peter Taft to substitute one engine of his B-52 with my TF39. Ok we have to enlarge it 4,36 times (from 1/144 to 1/33), but could be a good test for his scalability.

Yeah, baby, one step closer to the later model EB-52 Megafortress...!!!

[Willja67]

http://biomania.yolasite.com/resources/fat-albert.jpg

May be someone at the Blue Angels knew the comic character and saw the same likeness with the C-130.

Nando

From a documentary I watched on the Blue Angels one of the demo pilots kids saw it at a show and said it looked like Fat Albert and the name stuck.

[peter taft]

I will certainly consider this for the BUFF... i'd just be happy to be able to continue building her at the moment.... perhaps Santa will give me some magic dust for my skin to heal. Thanks for the idea.

[nando]

I began to design the fuselage, starting from the radome.
It apparently is simple, but the windscreens are very complicated instead.

BTW some screen capture, just to see the general appearance.

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PS: the TF-39 looking good;)

Nando

[nando]

More on the bow and a pair of dummy wings just to see

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... the tail is far, far away ... :rolleyes:

Nando

[assafm25]

Your design work?
Your build ?
Your paint work?

its all look wonderful

[nando]

Thank You assafm25 for your kind comments.

Here below some unroll test, to verify what's the better way to render the round surface of the radome. This step is necessary to me to understand how design and unroll the surfaces of the complex shape of C-5.

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Beside my craftmanship, I think I have to return at the design to simplify the model, altough this choice could make the shape not so smooth.

What do you think? Any suggestion is welcome.

Nando

[NYC Irishman]

Oh the Talent...well done

John

[Ashrunner]

I certainly like the larger nose version. I think it looks more like the C-5 nose I knew so well. The reverse petal design looks okay, but in the long run, I think the many rings of the larger version would be easier to get looking closer to reality.

The engines...well, what can I say? Really nice!

[SJPONeill]

I agree with Ashrunner..with some careful cutting and burnishing a la Deckape's builds that larger nose should come out pretty good...

[nando]

Oh the Talent...well done

John

Thank You John.

I certainly like the larger nose version. I think it looks more like the C-5 nose I knew so well. The reverse petal design looks okay, but in the long run, I think the many rings of the larger version would be easier to get looking closer to reality.



I agree with Ashrunner..with some careful cutting and burnishing a la Deckape's builds that larger nose should come out pretty

good...

Thank You for the opinions, but You was too kind: The first run was very ugly. I have considered your suggestions, so I came back to the drawing board and I redid the surfaces.
The second run It's better then the first one, in my opinion.

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Nando

[Ashrunner]

The new version of the petal design does look better. I still think the first larger nose looks better...but that might be my aversion to those petal type designs. I just can't seem to get them to work out.

Either way you go on the nose, if you keep this standard going through out the process, it's going to be a fabulous addition to the modeling world.

[n810]

Personally I hate assembling petals, but I'm willing to work through my issues to have a nose section that looks that good.

[nando]

Ok, ok ... I'll consider to unroll the nose without the assembling petals, but n810 I saw them in your MI-6 also, or not ....;)

Here some progress on the forward fuselage.

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Good night.

Nando

[nando]

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Nando

[mldixon]

Nice work Nando. I also work in Sketchup.
Are you unfolding in Pepakura or with the unfolding script in sketchup?
The build is really clean and so is the design work.

[nando]

Thanks mldixon.

I'm using Pepakura and the entire process, that I'm currently using, is described in the thread in my signature, about the Sopwith Swallow.

Best, Nando

[nav]

These are a little late but hopefully you still can use them

[mldixon]

Thanks mldixon.

I'm using Pepakura and the entire process, that I'm currently using, is described in the thread in my signature, about the Sopwith Swallow.

Best, Nando

Yes then the next question I have is this . Do you find the 3d exports and then the unfolding way too complex. And have you found any other solutions. Other than lots of handwork in Pepakurs?

[n810]

Ok, ok ... I'll consider to unroll the nose without the assembling petals, but n810 I saw them in your MI-6 also, or not ....;)



Nando


You did, on the external fuel pods. Not my best work, but the only way to get that blunt of a cone on that small of an object

[nando]

These are a little late but hopefully you still can use them

Thanks nav. It's long time that I'm collecting references and documentation about Galaxy, first for generic interest in the subject, then in preparation of the project. At today I collected near 300 MB (?!) but I never found the pics You gave me. Where did You find them? There are bigger ones?

Yes then the next question I have is this . Do you find the 3d exports and then the unfolding way too complex. And have you found any other solutions. Other than lots of handwork in Pepakurs?

The process of 3D export and unfold in Pepakura is boring and painfull, with a lot of iterations to correct the "misunderstanding" between the two programs.
But in the Sopwith development the surfaces were simple (straight or round) and I had few problems. The surfaces of the Galaxy are very complex instead, and the process became a nightmare.

The only way to limit the problems that I found is to divide the big problem in smaller ones. It's for this that I procede with small sections. Any section that I completed is without problems in the unroll process.

If You have any suggestion, it is welcome.

BTW another section toward the wing root.

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Good night, Nando :)

[nav]

Thanks nav. It's long time that I'm collecting references and documentation about Galaxy, first for generic interest in the subject, then in preparation of the project. At today I collected near 300 MB (?!) but I never found the pics You gave me. Where did You find them? There are bigger ones?

Believe it or not I've been trying to make one of these for a long time but never could.A simple image search on google yields good results you just have to wait for the pics you need 'to come to you it is the way of google fu and the universe' lol I sound like a tech monk but sadly no bigger pics but i will keep an eye out.

[nav]

oooooooooooooo! More stuff the universe has spoken!

[nav]

and this
Flight Simulator Downloads: Flight Simulator X, FSX, FS2004, CFS3 Aircraft, Addons - Fly Away Simulation, Flight Simulator #1 (http://flyawaysimulation.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=2568)
FSX USAF Lockheed C-5B Galaxy - Download Details - Fly Away Simulation, Flight Simulator #1 (http://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads-file-2568-details.html)
not sure how helpful they'll be

[nando]

Thanks nav. I have the FSX and I found, long time ago, a Galaxy for free, but didn't satisfy me. There's a beatiful plane at Area-51 (http://www.area51sim.com/galaxy.html), may be I could buy it in the future.

http://www.area51sim.com/images/gab9.jpg

Some progress in the central section: very complex :confused:
Here the first attempt, very simple

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And here the second version more realistic

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Go ahead!

Nando

[nav]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO pretty pretty lol but it looks great.Keep up the good work.

[RyanShort]

I remember Gil saying how hard it was to do in Rhino... I imagine it's even harder in Sketchup to get right. Looks good so far. Don't forget to keep checking to make sure you don't get through and have a part that won't unfold!

Ryan

[nando]

I remember Gil saying how hard it was to do in Rhino... I imagine it's even harder in Sketchup to get right. Looks good so far. Don't forget to keep checking to make sure you don't get through and have a part that won't unfold!

Ryan

Not hard, VERY HARD!

Ryan, be sure that I'm checking step by step everything I'm designing.
The process is:

1. design the lines that give the form
2. fill the surface to check the geometry
3. if the forms aren't ok: back to the point 1.
4. divide the sufaces keeping an eye at the build needs
5. check the unroll of the surfaces
6. if the unroll isn't ok go back to point 4. or 2. or 1. :mad:

Here a collage of PDOs (Pepakura outputs) that I checked out.

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Nando

[assafm25]

its more then perfect

[nando]

No more progress to show, but
a MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of You

from a special Santa

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRRorRRbZeI/AAAAAAAABzM/bqp79nTkMAE/s800/Xmas.jpg

Nando :)

[WeeVikes]

Merry Christmas, Nando!

I thought I'd come out of my Spacecraft world to check this out. This is remarkable! I cannot wait until you get this done.

At the risk of hijacking this thread, does anyone know if there is also a C-17 kit available? I've not done the Google/Yahoo/Bing/"Insert-Favorite-Search-Engine" thing yet.


Mike

[Cybermac]

Fantastic job Nando!

Merry Christmas to all!
There is no C-17 card model yet, but there are a good scale drawings to make one;)

[Rubenandres77]

I'm enjoying so much this thread :)

It is great to see a design from the very beginning. It is enlightening as to the efforts and dedication.

It will surely be a beautiful model once completed.




Merry Christmas, Nando!

I thought I'd come out of my Spacecraft world to check this out. This is remarkable! I cannot wait until you get this done.

At the risk of hijacking this thread, does anyone know if there is also a C-17 kit available? I've not done the Google/Yahoo/Bing/"Insert-Favorite-Search-Engine" thing yet.


Mike

Fantastic job Nando!

Merry Christmas to all!
There is no C-17 card model yet, but there are a good scale drawings to make one;)

Actually there is one (the only I have found):
http://content.defencejobs.gov.au/pdf/airforce/Globemaster_r1.pdf

But it is very simple and small (2 pages with parts), and quite rough. :(

[nando]

Ok, Xsmas is over, back to drawing board!

The previous version of the central body didn't satisfy me, so i started again the design and this time I'd like to show how do I procede.

I first drawing the lines

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRfMk5jez1I/AAAAAAAABzw/dlAvNrJowAk/s400/C-5%2026122010%2023.16.39.jpghttp://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRfMlu-OHuI/AAAAAAAABz0/LUH8huA7zzE/s400/C-5%2026122010%2023.16.55.jpg

I then fill and smooth the surfaces

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRfMm1Pi9CI/AAAAAAAABz4/T9vmuQw16hs/s400/C-5%20%2026122010%2023.48.32.jpghttp://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRfMnykhrQI/AAAAAAAABz8/JaVu5oPUZT8/s400/C-5%2026122010%2023.49.01.jpg

Then i complete the surfaces and i correct them where need, then i group and color them

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRfMpO-IuvI/AAAAAAAAB0A/1VMTab9N3ys/s400/C-5%2026122010%2023.51.42.jpghttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRfMqeMGoXI/AAAAAAAAB0E/HUV-TSeEEMA/s400/C-5%2027122010%200.06.43.jpg

I finally compare the result with the previous version and with the real one


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRfMrdf0NSI/AAAAAAAAB0I/PJvx_QpuugA/s400/C-5%2027122010%200.12.47.jpghttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRfMjxRee9I/AAAAAAAABzs/ewL-dU76-m8/s400/Acquisizione%20a%20schermo%20intero%2027122010%200 .15.53.jpg

Tomorrow the unroll test.

Nando

[RyanShort]

Whoa. It looks like you've just about got that figured out.

Ryan

[nando]

I just completed the unroll test. In the first picture the first successful test of the half of the body, in the second one the final unroll of the full central body (front part).

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Finally, how looks the design of the parts of the fuselage with the certified unroll.

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Best, Nando

PS: WeeVikes , news from the PASA front ? (It's about the Apollo Historical collection)

[nosports]

i smell trouble....
I think this parts would make much problems to form into the right form.

So why you don't make the fuselage straight from front to back with some small slits for the formers and connectors to the wings.
then attach the wings to the fuselage.
At last i would make the parts for the shoulders as wrap-around-part.

I think this would cause lesser trouble whilst designing and building, and the wraping part could cover any appearing glitches in the build.

[nando]

i smell trouble....
I think this parts would make much problems to form into the right form.

nosports, You are very optimistic, if You think that only those parts would make problems!

First of all a premise: at this stage my first goal is to catch the forms of the model and what You see isn't still the buildable version.
I'm not a professional designer and this is the first time I attempt to reproduce a so complex shape. In addition You have to consider that I'm using a set of free tools, not designed to work together, and I have to refine and adjust every intermediate result.

However with SU & Pepakura I can choose to organize the unnrolled surfaces in a different manner, may be in a wrap-around shape, as You suggest.

... So why you don't make the fuselage straight from front to back with some small slits for the formers and connectors to the wings.
then attach the wings to the fuselage. Considering how to design the fuselage I saw, me too, that the central section is straight from front to back, under the fairing of the root of the wing (see the photos below), and why not to follow the way of the build of the real one also in the model?

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But then, observing the dimensions and the shape of the fairing (see the part highlighted in the General Production Assembly scheme), we can notice how big is it, near half of the lenght of the fuselage and how tricky the shape is. It's almost a model by itself.

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And then, why to build three models versus one (two fairings and one fuselage)?

BTW i'm far away from those decisions. But I thank You to give me those advises and suggestions, and be sure that I take them in my mind, continuing the project.

All the best, Nando

[Foxbat]

Hi Nando!
Nice project and a good work you're showing :)
Will the model have inside formers?

Have a good holidays and Happy New Year! :)

[nosports]

Hello Nando,

i too design model with free Software ( except TurboCAD, which came with my old computer) I work also with Blender, a self written unfolder, TurboCAD and the finishing touch will be in Inkscape so long as im not including it in my unfolder.

My models include some construction-vehicles and Trucks. Actually i do airplanes in 1:33. Finished a Lampyirdae, a Tacit-Blue. Tackling in the moment a F-108 and a DarkStar-UCAV

I had once a fairy similar surface and it was very hard du unfold it into the real world and make it fitting. So i thought i could suggest something. Its always very difficult to make a complex surface work in paper and the best way for me is to spilt the spot into simpler and easyier parts to get it working. I always hatet the difficult way ;)

If you split the model there into three parts, you will also get the right form of the airplane.

I would spilt even the fairing into 3 parts (sort of)
The square part in front would be part of the fuselage, then the rest would be split into a upper and a lower part so you could do it without bending into two directions. (you could even slit and split the front to get the form at the frontroot better)

Looking better at the drawing i think there is the upper middle fairing missing there

And do you really consider to do it all in one part ;). Liar you even made the engine out of more parts.

I following this tread, because i like it big. and your attention to detail gives definitely the opportunity to build this monster in 1:33 would be almost 2.3m and the possibility to include a nice interieur.

[WeeVikes]

PS: WeeVikes , news from the PASA front ? (It's about the Apollo Historical collection)

Nando,

I just picked up some software from my Father-in-Law that I think will let me fix my little problem with the scaling issue. If that's the case, I will be moving forward again.

So, maybe there is hope in the near future!


Mike

[nando]

Thank You WeeVikes for the good news and I'm sure that You will complete the fantastic work You did. I will be patient as I hope that You will be with me.

Hello nosports, You are responsible of a sleepless night, because your suggestion entered in my mind and it didn't go away.

I'm joking: It was my teeth that kept me awake, but meanwhile I reflected on Your advice.

Thereafter I redid the central section, with a part of it straight, and over it the fairing of the wing root as indipendent part.

I didn't try yet to unroll the fairing and the shape it's very difficult to reproduce, but it would be difficult in any case.

Here some captures of the new version. I think that in this manner I can insulate the unroll problems at the fairings of the wings and of the main gear .

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRzg0NICIZI/AAAAAAAAB1Q/2yZy8oAvt4A/s400/picasabackground-4.jpghttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRzg0pQ2TBI/AAAAAAAAB1U/fIznblHXiDM/s400/Acquisizione%20a%20schermo%20intero%2030122010%202 0.40.33.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRzg03-eZ0I/AAAAAAAAB1Y/cU9m5PdzDJk/s400/Acquisizione%20a%20schermo%20intero%2030122010%202 0.40.57.jpghttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TRzg1qy0RII/AAAAAAAAB1c/svyZ6YwnclE/s400/Acquisizione%20a%20schermo%20intero%2030122010%202 0.43.47.jpg

All the best,
Nando

[nando]

Foxbat, thank You for Your kind comments and Yes, I'll do the interior structure for this model: also at 1/144 scale It will be HUGE!

Nando :)

[billyjac]

This is wonderful work! I wonder if you would be kind enough to share the drawing that you based your work on? I have not been able to find it elsewhere.



I'm looking for those drawings for a while without success, but I saw them in this forum (http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=179002).

I can see in the pictures all the information I need for try to design a paper model: profile, plant, ribs,details, ...
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk238/loveliners/DSCF1121.jpg


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk238/loveliners/DSCF1128.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk238/loveliners/DSCF1136.jpg

I love the Galaxy and I would like to design and build a paper model of it.

I tried to contact the author of the model, but invain.

Can someone help me, giving the information where can I find those drawings? I think that they came from a polish magazine, which one is it and where can I buy it? Or If someone got them, can he share them with me? :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance, :D

Nando

[Zathros]

Nando, your build is so impressive. Your ability to pick up the nuances of this aircraft stand out!

[peter taft]

Ditto what Zath said.....:) this is coming along great - Superb work thus far ;)

[nando]

No more progresses to share. Christmas and the New Year distracted me from my design, but I'm reorganising my project to restart it.
I pile up too many versions every time that I'd like to experiment something new, so I have to clean up sometimes this collection with attention, to avoid a disaster. :rolleyes:

This is wonderful work! I wonder if you would be kind enough to share the drawing that you based your work on? I have not been able to find it elsewhere.

Billy, PM to me

Nando, your build is so impressive. Your ability to pick up the nuances of this aircraft stand out!

Ditto what Zath said..... this is coming along great - Superb work thus far

Thanks Zathros and peter but for now built few , and designed much , even though I'm doing so many versions, that the design is nearly a build, virtual but a build.

Best, Nando :)

[nando]

Just to show that I'm working again on the project .... ;)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TSeLfikfadI/AAAAAAAAB2I/MMCil5IGRT8/s800/C-5%2007012011%2022.51.51.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Z8YETNcMnDoV7bJeVwCW5w?feat=directlink

[billyjac]

I dont seem to have the PM option activated. could it be because Im a new member?

[nando]

73101

comparing with the real one

73102

Good Night, Nando :)

[nav]

aaahhhhh *drools*

[NYC Irishman]

I cant figure out which is real and which is the Sketch-Up????

[nando]

Main gear fairing completed

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TSo--7iBg3I/AAAAAAAAB3Y/Htu0__9NhV8/s800/C-5%2010012011%200.02.11.jpg

Go straight to the tail cone .... :rolleyes:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TSo-9gG1VXI/AAAAAAAAB3U/WOWsv6omI80/s800/C-5%20%2009012011%2023.58.50.jpg

Good night, Nando

[nando]

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TTdtdq2fqSI/AAAAAAAAB40/WQjLTkUP3qw/s800/C-5%2019012011%2023.56.58.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TTdtaVFOKgI/AAAAAAAAB4w/w-SDxc51oAo/s800/C-5%2019012011%2023.59.15.jpghttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TTdtZfguY0I/AAAAAAAAB4s/_NT8nIhUVfM/s800/C-5%2020012011%200.01.12.jpg

Best, Nando

[RyanShort]

That's going to be nice.

Ryan

[Cybermac]

Mmmm... magnifique, belissimo, beautiful...:):)

[foxxiee]

Hay Nando, I love your work so far, can't wait to see the finished result. I've got a quick question, i've been looking everywhere for that schematic you posted in the first post and I too found it on that forum and tried contacting the person, but to no avail :(. You seem to have found the schematic somewhere, I was wondering if you could post it? If you want I have some more overall line drawings that I haven't seen in this thread that I could post, hi-res too.

Thanks in advance

[piginapoke]

just noticed, this is being done in sketchup.

any good tutorials for using sketchup, in particular for paper modelling?

[airdave]

sorry, if I am stating the obvious or repeating the facts, but...

funny...not one mention of where the name, Fat Albert",
was actually "stolen" from.

I saw Bill Cosby's stage comedy act
and got his first "Fat Albert" comedy record album
(years before Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids ever appeared on TV or in cartoon form!).
That would have been around 1968 (give or take a year)

So, if the Galaxy is called "Fat Albert" that would most likely be where it came from.

And tedparkes beat me to the punch, on the fact that the team refer to the Blue Angels support C-130 as "Fat Albert Airlines".
I thing somewhere along the way, that has been shortened to "Fat Albert".

Maybe the Marines recognized the fact that another transport aircraft already had the moniker?

[cmdr199212]

Wow Nando! Impressive work!!

[757rol]

Nando, Eye candy to me, excellent work !!

[rbeach84]

I dont seem to have the PM option activated. could it be because Im a new member? Billyjac, did you right-click on the name/ icon to get the menu?

[papekuraviewer]

sorry if my question is far from the topic, I wanted to ask if all the models created with SketchUp in a way that you have to do (like making framework, then fill to the field)
sorry if my english bad
This also makes it with google translate, hhheeee

[nando]

Has been a long time since my last post, almost a month and a half.
I can assure you all that I do not intend to abandon the project, but this time I was busy with other things.
I had problems with maintenance of the house, I started to prepare for a new home, there was an illness in my family, thankfully all are healed, I was wounded in a leg.
In short it was an intense month!
I wanted to make progress, but as Jake "Joliet" Blues once said :cool:
"No, I didn't. Honest. I ran outta gas. I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from
outta town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake, a terrible flood, locust's. It wasn't my fault!! I swear to God!!
"

I think that I will not do many progresses till mid of april, because i'm busy preparing the celebrations in my town of the 50 years of the flight of Gagaryn.
By the way,
That's going to be nice.
Ryan

Mmmm... magnifique, belissimo, beautiful...
Wow Nando! Impressive work!!
Thank You for Your kind comments, they are encouraging me.

Hay Nando, I love your work so far, can't wait to see the finished result. I've got a quick question, i've been looking everywhere for that schematic
you posted in the first post and I too found it on that forum and tried contacting the person, but to no avail :(. You seem to have found the schematic somewhere, I was
wondering if you could post it? If you want I have some more overall line drawings that I haven't seen in this thread that I could post, hi-res too.
Thanks in advance
foxxiee, i sent a PM to You, but i have a question to moderator: can we put in the download section those drawings? They are a scan of a plan published years ago by a
polish magazine. My doubt is about copyright issue.

just noticed, this is being done in sketchup.
any good tutorials for using sketchup, in particular for paper modelling?

sorry if my question is far from the topic, I wanted to ask if all the models created with SketchUp in a way that you have to do (like making
framework, then fill to the field)
sorry if my english bad
This also makes it with google translate, hhheeee
I don't know if it is a good tutorial, but in my signature You can find the link to a thread where i described how did I use for Sketchup, Pepeakura and Paint.net in to
project and build the Sopwith model. I hope that can help You.

sorry, if I am stating the obvious or repeating the facts, but...
[...]

Thanks airdave, one of the main reasons, why it's so exciting follow the discussions in this forum, is the bunch of things You can learn, about our loved subjects.

Best, Nando :)

[peter taft]

She's looking MIGHTY and i do mean MIGHTY fine Sir ;):)

[n810]

I can't wait to buy and build this!

[Cybermac]

Hi guys!

Sorry for a little bit off topic question but had no other occasion to ask...
Did anybody, looking for a C-5 Galaxy scale drawings, found by any chance a scale drawings of its 'smaller brother' C-141 Starlifter???
Just trying to find, and only know they were in Koku Fan, but no luck so far...:confused:

[nav]

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/transport-m/c141/c141_schem_01.gif
There is one, I think tht's what your looking for.

[nav]

http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/CC141_vl.jpg
http://www.aircav.com/recog/chp08/ch08aclist/c-141b.gif
http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avc54.gif
Lockheed C-141 Starlifter by =bagera3005 on deviantART (http://bagera3005.deviantart.com/art/Lockheed-C-141-Starlifter-152369266)
Here are some more I hope none are repeated.

[Cybermac]

Hi!
I am looking for a proper scale drawings (like those with C-5 from that Polish magazine with an airfoils, crossections, etc.) to be able, in the future, to build a model in 1:72 (1:36?). So far none of those small drawing seems to be enough, but don't worry.:) Sometimes it takes a years to find a proper documentation.;) And for now we have got a beautiful C-5 Galaxy here in progress thanks to Nando!:cool:

[modelerjimg]

I'm a new member to the board, and am following this with great interest. I see these constantly flying overhead as the Air National Guard has a unit nearby at Stewart Airport (formerly AFB) and they're in their landing or takeoff paths over my neighborhood. In early 1980, I was in Army Basic at Ft. Dix, NJ, and my company was directly adjacent to McGuire AFB. The C5s would fly in and out 24/7 in the old white and grey MAC color scheme. Have some funny stories about our platoon not hearing the command "To the rear, march," while a C5 was taking off. I was able to walk through one of these that were on display at Andrews AFB on Armed Forces Day that year, and was stunned at the sheer size of these. I'd also like to see this model in the early MAC colors.

[nando]

Hi!
I am looking for a proper scale drawings (like those with C-5 from that Polish magazine with an airfoils, crossections, etc.) to be able, in the future, to build a model in 1:72 (1:36?). So far none of those small drawing seems to be enough, but don't worry.:) Sometimes it takes a years to find a proper documentation.;) And for now we have got a beautiful C-5 Galaxy here in progress thanks to Nando!:cool:

Do you know the Bob Banka's site (http://bobsairdoc.com/index.htm)?
I don't know it, but I found a reference to it in an article about the Starlifter on an old issue of Fine Scale Modeler. In fact if You look at his on line catalog, You can find that he is selling a 3-view drawing (pag. 205) not so expensive and it seems that the source is "Koku Fan, .... Considered by many as best series of drawings available today." and with "exceptional detail, with cross sections".
You may try to ask, or not?

Best regards, Nando :)

[Cybermac]

Hi Nando!

I already have got those scale drawings, a friend send me a scan from Bunrin-do, which once will be good for 1:72 (1:36?) model.
I am working on landing gear of 737 and BAe-146 in waiting, so C-141 will not be any soon.

Best regards!

Cybermac

[rbeach84]

Truly, there are no decent drawings available on the internet for download of this iconic aircraft. Even if the An225 is bigger...

[757rol]

How bout this one, I found in a forum It could help for the C-141

Attachment browser: C-141 Starlifter.gif by Caddguy6 - RC Groups (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1125220)

Best wishes

[rbeach84]

Weird that the '141 drawings seem to be more readily available...

[airdave]

In my constant search for reference images
(this time looking for some pics of C130 Landing gear lighting)
I came across some interesting photos of the Galaxy
and I thought you might be interested
(or not, they are still cool photos)...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4683748400_601aa434cd_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4412301198_8889b66b05_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2635/4412289360_625f2f5f25_o.jpg

[SJPONeill]

Great pics...looking at the last one, it may be that a petal approach to the nose will replicate the original...

[peter taft]

Excellent pictures Dave - great cart on this beautiful beast ;)

[Inky]

Great job Nando. I wish I had the smarts and know how to design models. I have been wanting to build the C-5 Galaxy for some time now and have wished some one would design it. If you ever decide to sell your patterns let me know, I would love to build this one and add it to my collection of transport planes .

[nosports]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2635/4412289360_625f2f5f25_o.jpg

What a nose

[Inky]

I have been in a few of these and we use to throw a football around in them while we were waiting around to load. the pictures do not do them justice on how big they really are. believe me, when you are up and personal with this plane it is HUGE.

[Inky]

Any new development on this build??? I am looking forward to purchasing this and building it myself.

[timmins02]

Nando, maybe i can help. Im very interested in getting this model complete. I'm a C-5 crew chief with 8 years of CAD (read rhino3d) experience. I also have access to a laser cutter, if that means anything to anyone (i like to cut my models with a laser becuase i am lazy)

If there is anything i can do to help this project along, let me know.

[nando]

Thank You all for your patience.
I am truly honored to see that my project arouses so much interest, and at the same time I feel a responsibility not to disappoint your expectations.
I assure you that this time I'm working at the Galaxy, but mainly trying to improve the techniques to use in a project so challenging for me.
In particular at this time I'm developing a technique to speed up the design phase of the surface, trying to automate the filling that up to now I do individually drawing the
triangles one by one.
This technique is based on the use of the Sandbox plugin, designed, I think, to more easily create surfaces from contours or from scratch, to reproduce landscapes.
I chose to experiment with this technique, developing a simpler model of the Galaxy. In Buran.ru (http://www.buran.ru/htm/3d-model.htm) site I found the documentation of the spacecraft Kliper, designed as the successor to the Soyuz.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1PLbTrzPR0g/TiQ9rfh7EmI/AAAAAAAACVo/pmfqaT-NGYk/s800/Klipper1.jpg
I designed the bulkhead and then through trial and error I developed a technique that I summarized in the video below.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QNWHg1uk_Zg/TiQ9n0XO66I/AAAAAAAACVc/oF2LN0yxYIE/s288/Image4.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0RXSvRDerx4/TiQ9o7TmphI/AAAAAAAACVk/KiSVwftHSNY/s288/Image5.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0RTaNUryNDY/TiQ9obsQwGI/AAAAAAAACVg/QkuQ1Hhv1Kw/s288/Image6.jpg

‪Sandbox to shape a paper model fuselage‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASmmDAFDz_k)


<object width="480" height="390"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ASmmDAFDz_k?version=3&amp;hl=it_IT&amp;hd=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ASmmDAFDz_k?version=3&amp;hl=it_IT&amp;hd=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="480" height="390" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>


So now it seems easy and the trick is to turn every piece of the surface in a landscape, because the plugin expects to generate from the top surface and developing it horizontally.
That's why
first extract the contours from bulkheads
Then rotate the contours, to place it horizontal.

Each surface is created as a group, so before we explode them and then group them into one group.
I have verified that the final product does not create problems with Pepakura Designer, but the end result is good, excluding the textures ....
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MV804icJPpY/TiQ9r00x1KI/AAAAAAAACVs/7SAjHEPdL0I/s288/Kliper004_001.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3Rf3JlcVdB4/TiQ9sQFUw0I/AAAAAAAACVw/X9SvDAnbNqQ/s288/Kliper004_002.jpg

Now I am slowly applying this technique to my old project, but I saved a copy: you never know ....

Nando, maybe i can help. Im very interested in getting this model complete. I'm a C-5 crew chief with 8 years of CAD (read rhino3d) experience. I also have access to a laser cutter, if that means anything to anyone (i like to cut my models with a laser becuase i am lazy)

If there is anything i can do to help this project along, let me know.

timmins02 thank you for offering help and surely I will use it, especially when I have to paint the surfaces, because I want to make a model with scalable graphics, but it seems like I'm losing my own battle with Pepakura and Inkscape. Then I will ask support for details, view your direct knowledge of the aircraft.
The beauty of this hobby is also this: to know the people who have lived with these giants of the sky.

Best, Nando :)

PS: could someone give me some help to embed my Youtube video in the post?
Thanks

[Inky]

nando,

Not sure if this helps you but found some 3D CAD drawings of the C-5. Waiting patiently for your return.

3D CAD Browser - 3D Model Preview - C-5 Galaxy (http://www.3dcadbrowser.com/preview.aspx?modelcode=30868)

[doctormax]

sure to get youtube onto the post go advanced and click the youtube icon then copy and paste the number on the url not the whole lot them numbers and letters that appear in your web browser windows are what you need to post the youtube.

[nando]

nando,

Not sure if this helps you but found some 3D CAD drawings of the C-5. Waiting patiently for your return.

3D CAD Browser - 3D Model Preview - C-5 Galaxy (http://www.3dcadbrowser.com/preview.aspx?modelcode=30868)

Thank You Inky for the link, the model is beautiful, and it also has the interior! But it also costs so much to download it and then I don't know if it will be useful in Sketchup. Patience!
I take this opportunity to thank everyone for their patience and interest that continue to show for my project. I feel guilty about the little progress I've made recently. But the fact that in the meantime I have completed three old projects (Sopwith Swallow (http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/design-threads/7116-sopwith-swallow-s-sketchup-pepakura-paint-net-story-restart.html), HMS Astute (http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/ships-watercraft/15422-hms-astute.html), LIM-49A Spartan (http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/design-threads/16136-mcdonneldouglas-lim-49a-spartan.html)) should reassure you that I will complete this project as well.
My approach is a little chaotic and discontinuous, but sooner or later it gets some results. Have faith!

sure to get youtube onto the post go advanced and click the youtube icon then copy and paste the number on the url not the whole lot them numbers and letters that appear in your web browser windows are what you need to post the youtube.

doctormax thanks for the suggestions. Now I can enrich my threads with some video. ;)

ASmmDAFDz_k

Best regards, Nando :)

[Flite-Metal]

Nondo,

It is exciting to see you working in SketchUp to develop your C5. I am a flying scale
model competitor and have been rounding up resources for a C5A/B/M build at the
same scale as our B-47's, one is an E and the other a WB. These are at 157" w/s
powered with Dynamax EDF (electric ducted fan).

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=143856&d=1298647238

I have been looking for my next project to utilize the Dynamax in. A C5 can be a very
challenging competitive subject considering its limited flight envelope, though its very
presence earns brownie point consideration.

We are utilizing SolidWorks, SketchUp, and other utilities and CNC mill, hot wire, and
printer to create our projects. I am most interested in discussing availablity of your
workup to permit us to go to the next step and create a 1/16th replica @ 167" w/s.

Grazing across your images I find myself almost as if pressing up against a candy
store display case ;^)

The issue with most online images is they are produced for the sim market and they
have too few polygons in their composition to utilize in a full blown 3D CAD workup.
Such is the case for that C5 image that you were directed to. Skins are not usable.
The faciting rendered in these is horrible. Reptilian scale modeling ;^)

http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/B47/B47Lines/FuseCompositeFormersJMaster.jpg

I usually start my drawings in analog, editing 2D to achieve proper geometry in the
perspective to perspective relationships of the drawings. Most artists draw without
concern for maintaining scale between each perspective. This, more often than not!
Yes, it took me back when I first started doing work-ups.

I look forward to your reply and to viewing your progression in this project.

[Flite-Metal]

Timmins02,

Are you in San Antonio? I am in Houston.

[SpaceRanger1]

I, too, am looking for a copy of the Polish scale C-5 drawing used by Nando to construct his excellent model. Can someone assist in locating a copy? Thanks in advance.

[RyanShort]

Timmins02,

Are you in San Antonio? I am in Houston.
I don't know if Timmins is in SA, but I am.

Ryan

[pong17003]

all i can say is WOW that has got to be the best c-5 model i have ever seen
keep up the good work

[isievert]

There is just so much talent in this forum!! Nando, you're way up there with the elite!

[rdajunior95]

Beautiful project. Would love to make it.

[rick-hunter]

Nando, is excellent work, i write from Chile, I need your help with drawing for you work. I work in 1/48 galaxy, but my fuselage is not correct. I need re-construction the fuselage. this is my link.

IPMS Chile :: Ver tema - C-5 GALAXY 1/48 (http://ipmschile.multiforos.es/viewtopic.php?t=2754&highlight=galaxy)

sorry for my english

thank you

Rick

[Flite-Metal]

Nando,

grazie per le risposte del email all'inchiesta per l'illustrazione C5. Voglio costruire grande C5 usando la vostra
illustrazione per il work-up meccanico.

È possibile che esportiate l'illustrazione di 3D C5 senza superficie facited del poligono? Il mio desiderio è di
generare una fusoliera, un' ala, polistirene espanso ad alta densità.

Accrediterò il vostro contributo. Questo modello di volo è un progetto di F4C. Potete esportarli in pdf, dwg,
dxf, stl, tif e nella lima di SolidWorks?

Trasmetta prego il email a: wmclayman AT comcast DOT net

Sorry for the poor Italian.... ;^)

Thank you for replying in the private messaging. I decided it best to come back here and request reply
be emailed to my wmclayman AT comcast DOT net email.

Need 3D .stl, .pdf, .tif, .dxf, .dwg, or native SoldWorks 3D files for creation of a 157" w/s C5 for FAI F4C
using Dynamax-EDF @ 40# of thrust. We are currently building a pair (2) Boeing B-47's, (1) E-IV, (1) WB
@ 1/8th scale aka 157" w/s.

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=142595&stc=1&d=1296403174
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151158&stc=1&d=1311452450

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151226&stc=1&d=1311690424

To answer it before its asked..... ;^) Yes, they are released individually or in unison. Those are the first
cruise missles implemented as anti-radar aka anti-radiation weapons. Our project data is published for
use by anyone interested in utilizing it to replicte our project.

[pong17003]

Nando just checking how far have you gone on the c-5 i just want to know

[Inky]

Nando just checking how far have you gone on the c-5 i just want to know

I second that, inquiring minds wanna know.

[Flite-Metal]

Nando,

Everyone is piling on this morning..... :^)

How goes the flow....? ?

[rbeach84]

Nando,

grazie per le risposte del email all'inchiesta per l'illustrazione C5. Voglio costruire grande C5 usando la vostra
illustrazione per il work-up meccanico.
<<snipped verbage>>
<<snipped two images>>

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151226&stc=1&d=1311690424

To answer it before its asked..... ;^) Yes, they are released individually or in unison. Those are the first
cruise missles implemented as anti-radar aka anti-radiation weapons. Our project data is published for
use by anyone interested in utilizing it to replicte our project.
Ed, what are those, GAM-72's?

[Flite-Metal]

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151413&d=1312146499
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151352&d=1312038097

The Radioplane - Northrop GAM-67 evolved to be an anti-radiation (read as radar) air to ground offensive weapon.

Far from a "Wild Weasel" the GAM-67 evolved to be at the fore-front of that mission made famous in Vietnam with F-105's.
Col. Mike Kulczyk, a name familiar to everyone with '80s ducted fan experience...aka (bent over working hours for 1 or 2
flights)...was a "Wild Weasel".

In one of my mission plans I include four (4) GAM-67 "released" as decoys to cover delivery of the B-47's nuclear weapon.
At the top of this post is crude illustration of the maneuver. Each GAM-67 performs a decending 360 degree circle gliding
on its own after release. I may have to place small diameter fans in each to sustain their glide for proper effect...aka pts.


http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151364&stc=1&d=1312053118

[rbeach84]

Thanks, Ed. I've been using the instruction sheet from a 1:72 plastic model kit to cobble up a 1:48 scale model of the '67 (just couldn't recall the number exactly...) using a drop tank, sheet plastic, tubing and epoxy putty. Hardest thing is making the cart for it! Nice looking little bird, regardless.

Your images are clearer than what I had so it really helps sorting out the small details.

Sorry for going off-topic!

[Flite-Metal]

Nando,

We're having C5 withdrawls..................please post your latest progress ;^)
Please excuse the short period of wandering into the wilderness of the B-47E
and its Northrop GAM 67.

[lamurt]

hey all, is it possible to find c-5 & c-141 cross sections which are worthy for 3ds max modeling anywhere on the net?

tiaa,
Murad.

[rbeach84]

that has been the question all along. Pretty sure Nando started with a copyrighted set of plans (on paper) for this project. Reading through the thread, I was able to find a CAD drawing without cross sections but otherwise looked good. Just may have to break down and come up with cross sections through study of pictures.:eek:

[rbeach84]

here's the link over to ARC Forums:
C-5 Galaxy three view - ARC Discussion Forums (http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=181562&st=0&p=1693953&hl=c-5&fromsearch=1&#entry1693953)

Sometimes you just get lucky with Google.

[Gil]

The C5's surface geometry can be very deceptive but is a good long term project that will improve the talent of any designer that decides to tackle it [including yours truly].

It helps if you have some knowledge of the types of tools Lockheed designers were using to loft the original.

I completed five full versions before arriving at the roughed out envelope below which still needs additional work...,

Best, +Gil

http://www.papermodelers.com/gallery/data/500/C5B-V5-Three-Quarter-View-WV2.png

[Inky]

I am just gitty that this thread has re-surfaced, I have been wanting this model for a long time.

Gil, your version looks great.

[Gil]

The following is suggested as one way to implement the bypass turbine blades in the the engines of the C5. Note that the blades can be sliced apart and the folds glued together to create the "blade" effect...,

+Gil

http://www.papermodelers.com/gallery/data/500/medium/Turbo-Fan-Exp-r3.jpg

http://www.papermodelers.com/gallery/data/500/medium/Turbo-Fan-Exp-r2.jpg

[pong17003]

Nando just one question what part are you on? Im dying to see your next post

[wooferdill]

This is my first time doing this. I might be able to help. I was on the C5A test team and one of the first Crew Chiefs. I may have what you are looking for.
Wooferdill

[Cybermac]

Great idea with this fan!

[nando]

Sorry for the long silence. I continue to follow the forum and i'm building some simple model for friends and to keep me fit, but I greatly reduced my activity. After surgery last year I struggled to get back in shape, before other problems have occurred, fortunately not serious yet, but that take me away the serenity and the focus to devote myself to my favorite hobby as before. I remain determined to continue this project that I really care, but for now I do not know when I can get back to work. I hope you understand and you continue to make models and projects that help me in this time a little complicated.

Thanks, Nando

[Gil]

Just focus on gaining back your health Nando. The project can wait.

Bien Cordialement, +Gil

[Zathros]

Take your time and devote it to healing. If you make many more models, a few more, or none, your knowledge and mostly, your companionship is enough. )

[Necroscope]

The following is suggested as one way to implement the bypass turbine blades in the the engines of the C5. Note that the blades can be sliced apart and the folds glued together to create the "blade" effect...,

+Gil







Cool!
Can I use this method in own model?
Hope it isn't copyrighted yet. )

[Gil]

Cool!
Can I use this method in own model?
Hope it isn't copyrighted yet. )

That's why it was posted. Free for everyone to use.

+Gil

[RyanShort]

Shot today...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431482_307222112664247_144125688973891_798291_2110 828980_n.jpg

Ryan

[Inky]

Nice shot Ryan.

[Necroscope]

That's why it was posted. Free for everyone to use.

+Gil


I will point your name on cover. Thank you. )

[bhath]

funny to hear the c-5 refered to as "fat albert" i've only heard of the blues angels c-130 called that

[Ashrunner]

I never understood why the Blue Angels called their C-130 "Fat Albert." It just doesn't work for that aircraft. But it does for the C-5.

The first time I heard the term was assigned to Elmendorf AFB, Alaska, in June 1970 when our fuels dispatcher yelled through the window, "We got a Fat Albert coming in!" Half of us looked at him in confusion, the other half ran and hid.

I ended up in a R-5 refueling truck, waiting my turn in line to gas up the monster and thinking just how well the nickname, "Fat Albert," fit. There were several varieties of C-130s there at the time, from ski-equipped, to weather and rescue C-130s, but I never heard one called "Fat Albert."

Personally, I think the Blue Angels stole it from the C-5. 8v)

[airdave]

"Fat Albert Airlines" (not actually called Fat Albert) is the name adopted in 1970
by the all Marines crew of the support aircraft for the Navy's Blue Angels.
The aircraft functioned as support for the aerobatic team but also as a
recruitment vehicle in support of the US Marine Corps.
The name was inspired by comedian Bill Cosby's standup comedy routines
character "Fat Albert" who was the "support" and "muscle" for the neighborhood
"Cosby kids" (based on Bill Cosby's childhood and family).


...I read this.

[Ashrunner]

"Fat Albert Airlines" (not actually called Fat Albert) is the name adopted in 1970
by the all Marines crew of the support aircraft for the Navy's Blue Angels.
The aircraft functioned as support for the aerobatic team but also as a
recruitment vehicle in support of the US Marine Corps.
The name was inspired by comedian Bill Cosby's standup comedy routines
character "Fat Albert" who was the "support" and "muscle" for the neighborhood
"Cosby kids" (based on Bill Cosby's childhood and family).


...I read this.

Ahhhh...so the Marines DID steal the nickname Fat Albert from the Air Force. The C-5A was called Fat Albert years before 1970! 8v)

[chiawatkom]

Reading the senior citizen discussion here seem to be great entertainment. I just posted my Lockheed C-5 Galaxy for your guy free download in Z... I hope that it will not interrupt your people from this thread.

Probably, it will be the last one free download for this year due to I was violated of basic human rights there "The liberty of freedom of communication" does not exist!.

[airdave]

what liberties have been denied you Jack?

and why isn't your download here?
I don't use the Z site.

[Vermin_King]

I've made one post there this year and it was deleted. So I can somewhat relate.

I hope, Jack, that you realize how valuable you are to the community.

[rickstef]

Jack,

You are never limited in your speech, you are welcome to post here any time

Rick

[chiawatkom]

what liberties have been denied you Jack?

and why isn't your download here?
I don't use the Z site.


I will try it afterward due to there it is very to upload huge kb. file. I must try here soon.

[CyberGolem]

Hi Nando,
Just checking in to give this thread—and especially your anticipated project—a polite bump.
I hope you are well and willing to continue this since it appeared so promising. It's completely understandable if you can't or won't, in which case I'd love to get a copy of the drawings you worked from. I haven't been able to get a response from the person you originally posted the pics with either.

[nando]

Wow, I couldn't believe when I saw that someone visited this old thread. What can I say. When I started this project I wasn't able to understand how big and difficult it was and how inadequate were my skill and my constance. After many other experiences both in build and in design of my own models ( see in my signature Fat man , Little Boy and Moonliner ) I think that I'd have to restart "ex novo" this project, if I will restart it in a distant future.
About the drawing, I have to look for in my files. They are copyrighted and I can't share them here. You can PM.

Best, Nando :)

[explorador777]

Hello friend , I saw you post about C-5 Galaxy, I was looking for C-5 Galaxy plans, could you send me the plans please, my email is
NICEFOREVERunderscore7 at YAHOO dot COM or my face is nesher omar , Thanks you
very much

Edit - Don't post in all caps - it means you are shouting. Thanks

[bloomohio]

I work in Marietta on C-5 in but in 1968-1970 and saw first roll out they has a special tall building just to put the tail assembly on guess what they called it,the building "cat-house" what is the scale of your final product 1:32 would be great but I guess you would need a cat-house to hold it! Ha!

[Arny]

Dear Nando,

My name is Arndt Berlage and I am based in Frankfurt. I have recently bought an ID Models Galaxy 1/72 vacuform model and searched the web for building information.

Found the Britmodeler and your threads showing these plans from (I guess) Poland. Would need some help to stiffen the fuselage and do some different nose on my vacuform. Is there any chance you could point me the way to those plans?

I am nowhere near advanced as you are with CAD and doing papermodels, but about improving my old dream of such a big Galaxy, I am very enthusiastic.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks, Arndt

[murphyaa]

I know how you feel about being over your head. Every time I look at my C-5 folder, I find myself opening another folder.

[nando]

Dear Nando,

My name is Arndt Berlage and I am based in Frankfurt. I have recently bought an ID Models Galaxy 1/72 vacuform model and searched the web for building information.

Found the Britmodeler and your threads showing these plans from (I guess) Poland. Would need some help to stiffen the fuselage and do some different nose on my vacuform. Is there any chance you could point me the way to those plans?

I am nowhere near advanced as you are with CAD and doing papermodels, but about improving my old dream of such a big Galaxy, I am very enthusiastic.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks, Arndt

Arny, sorry for the delay.
I looked for the plans I used looong time ago for this project, but I wasn't be able to find them. I think that maybe they were lost in a crash of an external HD where I had put them.
What I can do is to report you an offer (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/282271515494?rmvSB=true) on ebay about a collection of Galaxy's plans. Unfortunately they don't ship it in Italy (Iran, Afganistan, Yemen .... :confused: ).
It seems to me that one plan on the Britmodeller forum is included in this collection.
I hope this could help.

Best, Nando ;)

[herky]

Just to show that I'm working again on the project .... ;)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ysTi-x6y04E/TSeLfikfadI/AAAAAAAAB2I/MMCil5IGRT8/s800/C-5%2007012011%2022.51.51.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Z8YETNcMnDoV7bJeVwCW5w?feat=directlink

looking great

[Cybermac]

Hello,

If I remember the plans of C-5 Galaxy were in 'Modelarz' around year 2000, same like C-17.
Hope it helps.

[spacecraftcreator]

Keep up the good work and don't give up no matter how long it takes...look forward to being able to follow this and someday build the model....

Bob

[its all about Xplanes]

Nice build, i look forward to seeing it complete. Are you gonna make it downloadable?, id really like to get my hands on a C-5.

[Gil]

Arny, sorry for the delay.
I looked for the plans I used looong time ago for this project, but I wasn't be able to find them. I think that maybe they were lost in a crash of an external HD where I had put them.
What I can do is to report you an offer (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/282271515494?rmvSB=true) on ebay about a collection of Galaxy's plans. Unfortunately they don't ship it in Italy (Iran, Afganistan, Yemen .... :confused: ).
It seems to me that one plan on the Britmodeller forum is included in this collection.
I hope this could help.

Best, Nando ;)

Thanks Nando,

I purchased the C5 drawings. They came on a CD-ROM and consist of 7 .TIFF drawings. The title block indicates they're Lockheed-Martin C5A. There's enough content to insure an accurate airframe surface (i.e. if the drawings are to scale). Again thanks for finding this source (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/282360817952?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT).

Best,

-Gil

[nando]

You are welcome.

I still don't understand why the Italy, my country, is between the other states banned for the expedition. :confused:

I don't think to restart the Galaxy project, but it could be interesting collect and examine other plans of the "beast". :rolleyes:

Anyway, my best wishes with your projects.

Nando :)

[CyberGolem]

Thanks for the heads up on the those plans on eBay Nando, and please accept my apologies for not responding to your reply last summer (June). At the time I had just started a some contract work requiring me to live away from my home, and the studio was crunching something fierce to hit our holiday season delivery date.

I was punch-drunk happy when I saw your eBay link and ordered a set pronto, so thanks again. Anyway, I hope you return to this project soon, or start it over. Either way, I'm sure it'll be awesome.

If anyone else has plans for the General Electric F138-GE-100 (CF6-80C2) engines, I'd be greatly obliged.

[Chad R]

Dear Nando,

I am looking for plans to build a large 1:18 cardboard Galaxy as part of a larger installation. I wonder if you might be able to tell me where I can get hold of the plans you used. I have seen them on other forums but have been unable to get them.

Best wishes Chad

[nando]

Dear Nando,

I am looking for plans to build a large 1:18 cardboard Galaxy as part of a larger installation. I wonder if you might be able to tell me where I can get hold of the plans you used. I have seen them on other forums but have been unable to get them.

Best wishes Chad

Chad, i'm sorry but, as i said in the post #195 (http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/574409-post195.html), you can find good plans on eBay.
I hope this could help.
Best, Nando :)