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nothing

01-09-2010, 08:21 PM

i have a lot of hi rez pictures. but putting everything at the right size is just guess work. so this wont be 100% accurate in that regard. of course neither was LCS2.

but plodding along with the details. and details.im about mid way up the ship now. and ive only chosen to use about half of what i see.

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Barry

01-10-2010, 06:01 AM

I am curious. If you are still using Pepakura what technique are you using to show the helideck rails please.

cgutzmer

01-10-2010, 08:54 AM

Gonna be yet another well detailed model! Keep em coming :)

nothing

01-10-2010, 11:23 AM

@Chris thank you!

@barry- i am using pepakura. i just cant afford the programs that have the embedded unfold aspects. what i did for the LCS2 was created a double sided plane in the shape of the safety nets. then went back and "painted" a crosshatch pattern on them. i used a fine pattern to try and hide most of the white spaces. kinda forms an optical illusion sorta. i may end up with same thing here. still puzzeling over it. aside from using scratch build techniques im not sure how else to get the idea of screens across.

nothing

01-10-2010, 12:56 PM

just a "couple" more things.:rolleyes: another problem with this is deciphering the details between the sea trials configuration and the service configuration.
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Barry

01-10-2010, 05:41 PM

Thanks Nothing looks even more impressive I think I will have a word with Plastic Bonsai his program seems to do it for the rigging and rails. Let you know if he has the soloution. He did send me a render which was the equal of anything I have seen.

nothing

01-18-2010, 08:43 AM

down to the last bit. just need a zodiac and ill call it quits. theres still a ton of stuff i passed over. i may add once i get to the test build part.

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Barry

01-18-2010, 02:38 PM

Excellent 3d Nothing

nothing

01-25-2010, 08:26 AM

finished a basic zodiac. maybe i can start textures now..
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paulhbell

01-26-2010, 03:18 AM

Nice, maybe enlarge the zodic and add more detail, then sell as a model on it's own.

nothing

11-12-2010, 06:50 PM

built the hull. been sifting through the 7 pages of the upper sections trying to texture them.
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rmks2000

11-12-2010, 09:51 PM

Glad to see you back on this.

rmks2000

11-12-2010, 09:52 PM

BTW, WVA had a nice build of the Independence at the Papermodelers Convention this past October. I still have to build mine.

nothing

11-14-2010, 05:00 PM

wow thats good to hear. these 2 kits have been extremely harrowing. have had no blueprints to go on. and the freedom i couldnt even find an artist rendering.

nothing

11-16-2010, 06:58 PM

upper structures going on.
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Barry

11-16-2010, 07:02 PM

Looking great Nothing .............. chopper looks first class

nothing

11-17-2010, 12:10 PM

thanks barry.

finished up the superstructure, added the flying bridges, and the 57 mm.
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NimitzFan

11-18-2010, 09:54 AM

It looks like you've backed a winner. Or more specifically, both winners. The US Navy originally planned to test both designs and then select one for full production. However, they've chosen instead to build both designs (http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/LCS-Competition-Ends-In-A-Tie-11-17-2010.asp).

Enjoy!

nothing

11-18-2010, 10:41 AM

thanks for posting that article. very interesting!

nothing

11-21-2010, 11:28 AM

added the life boat area dont know the correct term for this area. and the roland.
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nothing

11-21-2010, 09:46 PM

a quick note-NimitzFan just pointed out to me that in fact it is not a roland but is a rolling airframe.

nothing

11-23-2010, 07:57 PM

started putting on the wee bits. aerials, counter measure, and what appear to be PA horns. theres quite a few of em all around. the little cones were too tedious for me to do all 16 to so i made some resin casts of them. spent most of today editing the final parts, have a half a page left to edit. then i can print and test em.
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nothing

11-24-2010, 10:28 PM

working on the propulsion. thrust vector unit
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ive only come up with 1 picture of this section and it shows only two of these thrust vector units on the 2 outside positions. dont know if it indeed has only 2 or 4.

nothing

11-27-2010, 06:56 PM

a quick update

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B-Manic

11-27-2010, 07:39 PM

a quick update

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Really???????????

nothing

11-28-2010, 12:01 PM

finished mast and propulsion. not pretty but.....
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cgutzmer

11-28-2010, 04:32 PM

I have never see those kinds of propulsion thingies before... would a cone with texture suffice there?

nothing

11-28-2010, 07:05 PM

the LCS'S use water jets insted of propellers. similar to jet skies.

added a couple of radars, and the flight deck nets.
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Royaloakmin

11-28-2010, 07:52 PM

Trent, nice detailing.

cgutzmer

11-29-2010, 05:19 AM

heh heh - seeing the flight deck nets reminds me of a funny story....

When we were on a Caribbean cruise there was this one guy that wanted do get out of the navy in the worst way. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. We were underway at about 20 knots and this guy goes to the fantail and jumps overboard! The aft watch signals it in and we start to come about. People head back searching and cant find the guy! What the &^## happened to him in those calm waters! Turns out he got stuck in the nets ;) still given the boot for abandoning ship.

nothing

11-30-2010, 05:40 PM

lol funny story chris!

thank you royaloakmin.

wanted to finish the fore deck today. and for the first time i strung my own rails. i definitely need to practice that technique.
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n810

11-30-2010, 05:57 PM

I don't suppose you are going to conquer the USS New York next by any chance are you?

http://officespam.chattablogs.com/archives/USS-New-York.jpg

APA-168

11-30-2010, 06:31 PM

Yes please!!!!

nothing

11-30-2010, 07:05 PM

yes i will do the New York right after i tackle the Langley. or maybe simultaneously....

Ron40

11-30-2010, 07:10 PM

Trent,
Glad to hear you decided to do the Langley...Ron

cgutzmer

12-01-2010, 05:44 AM

sounds like a great build idea!

nothing

12-01-2010, 06:16 AM

yea its gonna be a real challenge but im looking forward to it.

nothing

12-04-2010, 05:58 PM

finished up the build and now starts the dreaded instructions....
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and a couple of shots next to her counterpart
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Barry

12-04-2010, 07:15 PM

Looks very clean and professional as always

B-Manic

12-07-2010, 06:28 PM

Very nice looking ship Trent. This might interest you
LCS-3 USS Fort Worth Launch - Marinette, WI - Dec 4, 2010

YouTube - LCS-3 USS Fort Worth Launch - Marinette, WI - Dec 4, 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE4iiHQuF1k&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e681rezDC7A&feature=related

nothing

12-07-2010, 08:18 PM

thanks barry and b-manic.

i knew she was due to be launched just didnt know when.

goodduck

12-07-2010, 11:52 PM

Holy cow!!! That's how they launch ship that big, side way? I thought the ship going to roll over! OMG! That's scary!

cgutzmer

12-08-2010, 05:40 AM

looks like it will be another hit buddy! :) good luck on those directions....

NimitzFan

12-08-2010, 11:07 AM

That's how they launch ship that big, side way? I thought the ship going to roll over! OMG! That's scary!

When I studied naval architecture I was surprised to learn that almost a quarter of the class was to deal with all the math surrounding launching. There are people who totally specialize in it. My instructor's comment was, "Well, they gotta put it in the water somehow - or else build it there!"

Historically, there have been ships launched that immediately sank, but I think the most recent major ship was in 1903.

This link (http://www.lmlcsteam.com/?page_id=10) from Lockheed-Martin shows a great deal most about the future USS Fort Worth, including a ton of building pictures. Sorry, there was only one of the thrusters and it wasn't very good. (Picture #9)

nothing

12-08-2010, 11:45 AM

NimitzFan

01-14-2011, 05:13 PM

I see that the LCS seems to be going to get (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20110114.aspx) the Griffin missile, in place of a navalized version of the Army's PAM (Precision Attack Missile). The Griffin (http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/01/11/navy-close-to-choosing-griffin-missile-for-lcs/) is a scaled down version of the Hellfire, originally designed for Navy helo's.

Unfortunately, the LCS is coming in for a lot of flak lately. The problem is that the mission for which the ship is intended seems to be incompatible with the ship's design. Basically, the Navy traded some Weapons and Damage Control for Increased Speed. But those extra 10 knots may not be valuable for a unit that fires missiles, but Damage Control and Weapons are important for a unit that may be alone along a hostile shore. There is little debate that they're going to build some, but probably fewer than expected. A few relevant articles from the USNI Proceedings are:
No Need for High Speed (http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2009-09/no-need-high-speed)
and
Wrong Ship at the Wrong Time (http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2011-01/wrong-ship-wrong-time).

In any case, I thought y'all might like to know. Speed up your builds!

nothing

01-14-2011, 06:54 PM

wow! what bleak and depressing reports.

NimitzFan

01-15-2011, 03:26 PM

Don't be depressed.

The design history of the US Navy is of ship designs that everyone maligns, until they get into combat. If everyone was happy with the design - that'd be bad.... <GRIN!>

Zathros

01-15-2011, 03:31 PM

I am amazed what you guys do with Pepkura. I guess I need a real idiots guide to it. I can do much in Rhino, but don't know why I can't understand Pepakura? You certainly have my respect on an excellent ship taking form.

APA-168

01-15-2011, 04:27 PM

Don't be depressed.

The design history of the US Navy is of ship designs that everyone maligns, until they get into combat. If everyone was happy with the design - that'd be bad.... <GRIN!>

Exactly, remember the Spruance class destroyers. A lot of the same complaints there. Like the LCS it was intended that they would be fitted with new weapons systems as they came online, leading to the argument (now being wielded against LCS) that they were toothless and too much faith had been put in paper weapons systems. Well, lo and behold they were eventually fitted with Harpoon and Tomahawk, and now everyone misses them. Of course, unlike LCS, they did extremely well in their primary role (ASW) whereas it is questionable that LCS is even capable of carrying out it's intended mission. But the main point is only time can judge the LCS concept.

NimitzFan

01-15-2011, 09:21 PM

And meanwhile we get to build it! Years before anyone can in plastic or other materials...!

<GRIN!>

calinous

01-25-2011, 09:03 AM

those were awesome pictures. i happened on a picture of the lcs2 that showed (not clearly) that it had 4 vector nozzles. so i made an assumption (and you know how that goes) and place 4 on lcs1. im sure as time progresses material will be released that will necessitate a redesign. however i am very happy with what i accomplished with little solid resources.

In the video from the LCS 3 (http://www.lmlcsteam.com/?page_id=10) page, at around 26 seconds there's a view of the stern with visible propulsion systems, much better than in the slideshow
I don't understand anything that's there, but the image is much better than the one from the slideshow (one of the videos with a ship launch picture)