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mk310149
12-09-2010, 06:31 AM
I've got the Saturn LUT/MLP-Kit from this Designer via ebay in scale 1:96.

I mean it is a relativly bad print in pixel-graphic (diagonal lines are like a stair) like a blurred google-earth foto- is not so good...
Who has practical expirience with the model?
And who know a german manual?

Paper Kosmonaut
12-09-2010, 11:22 AM
Michael, pixelated prints from Educraft? I am afraid you have been deceived by a swindler of some kind... You're sure it is an original?
The Edu-craft designs are usually very crisp and super detailed. This must be a cheap scan / printout of the set. Look at their site (http://educraftdiversions.org/) and the details (http://educraftdiversions.org/saturn_v_launch_tower_96_100_144_lut_4.jpg) the LUT has!
I hope you didn't pay the full 65 dollars the original set cost...
Can you show some pics of the print quality?

As far as the manual, perhaps a email to educraft might help. Maybe they have it in PDF. You never know.

mk310149
12-09-2010, 01:10 PM
I have it buyed here:

Saturn V Launch Umbilical Tower(LUT)Model Kit>96 Revell bei eBay.de: Astronauts Space Travel (endet 30.11.10 08:52:06 MEZ) (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230553001253&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT)

payed per paypal..
and I have also an email from David....
I have 38 Sheets and a CD with the manual..

Paper Kosmonaut
12-09-2010, 01:25 PM
Hmm.. I think it looks very good colourwise. There is some pixelation in the red frameworks, I can see that... Perhaps this 1/96 version is an enlarged version from the 1/144 one? I don't know... The pictures on the site look better.

I presume the manual is in English but without pictures?

mk310149
12-09-2010, 01:51 PM
No Photos in the manual from the model only skizzes.
I also think it's a scaled 1:144...
I have begin the building...there are also big differences in colors, if you glue the parts together...look for my photos..:eek:

he takes not back the kit (wriiten in ebay) but I will send him a email...

Paper Kosmonaut
12-09-2010, 02:09 PM
Well, that's tragic. It really looks like it's a well made and thoroughly researched kit but probably only in the designed scale. The differences in colour are weird. Also probably due to the enlargement process.
Funny thing is, when you look at for example Lars Folmann's kits (http://www.classicpaperspacemodels.dk/), they've been designed on a very large scale (3000+ pixels) and when printed, it gives a good quality in almost every scale. I guess this model has been very well designed but too small to scale up to 1/96, even though it's only 150% on a printer's scale.
He might show the photos of the 1/144 version on his site because they look really good..
Pity.

mk310149
12-09-2010, 02:22 PM
BTW, he has also an 1:70 version....:rolleyes:

mk310149
12-09-2010, 04:22 PM
I had send an email to David and this is the answer:

Thank-you for your thoughts. They are very appreciated!
I have similar thoughts, Michael, but for now, the kit is what it is. The technical aspects of the kits production have been stretched to their limits. Perhaps it would be more helpful to others to make note of these thoughts in the website for the future.
The intent, though, is for the overall, finished presentation of the displayed models, and it is felt that the factors you touched on would be nominal once assembled.
For example, even though this is the 1/70, a 1/144 was built for a customer in Germany and sent to him. He thought it was of "museum quality." I feel that this was because it was a finished model.
How may I be of assistance? I would be open to your recommendations. I would like you to be as satisfied as would be possible at this point.
Regardless, your thoughts are very important, although any fixes in the kit would not be forthcoming for quite some time.
Best to You,
David R. Maier

Paper Kosmonaut
12-09-2010, 04:54 PM
That's a decent answer. And explains exactly what is "wrong". A good design but created in too small a size. It's really unfortunate. Luckily he acknowledges the problem. If I were you, I'd just make it and wait to see the final results. perhaps the overall look of the LUT will be masking a lot of the crudities. I do hope so! The colours look good and I think when made, the tower might be a real spectacle.
Good luck!

NYC Irishman
12-09-2010, 06:21 PM
I have the 3 kits in all scales, And I am very happy with the 1/144 and 1/70 scale versions but the 1/96 does suffer from some almost severe pixelation.

In all fairness it is only a direct scale up of the 1/144 just arranged on more accomodating pages, The idea is nice but operation is not so good. The 1/70 is a tidied up version with a lot more added detail and the image has been cleaned up, its definetly the jewel of the collection for anyone with a ridiculous amount of space.

I love the collection and have enjoyed collecting them and the 1/144 Shuttle MLP, I think the quality of the MLP will allow for a better scale up than previous projects if someone is lucky enough to be able to do a 1/70

Hope that makes sense

John

Paper Kosmonaut
12-09-2010, 06:32 PM
Like I said, I love the colours and the 1/144 looks beautiful. It's weird the 1/96 is suffering from that pixelation when the larger 1/70th version isn't. The overall look of it is very impressive. Just a pity the perhaps most wanted version isn't up to that promise.
I would really like to have an 1/72 MLP for the Monogram shuttle stack I have...

Daedalus
12-09-2010, 07:51 PM
Have you seen AXM's MLP in 1/144? You can scale that up to 1/72.

Paper Kosmonaut
12-10-2010, 02:19 AM
Got that one. That's a good one, almost forgot I got it. First I think I'll build some more small stuff. The shuttle stack also still is in the box. More of a summer job, open windows when airbrushing and using stinking glue. Another advantage of papermodeling, it doesn't smell bad. (-;

mk310149
12-10-2010, 03:37 AM
If David send the 1:72 as a PDF, I could scale down to 1:96 and it would be perfect. The model in 1:72 is much to big for my place....:eek:
But I think, that he doesn't do this...

mk310149
12-10-2010, 04:49 AM
I have the 3 kits in all scales, And I am very happy with the 1/144 and 1/70 scale versions ...

John

Can you show some photos from this, please?

mk310149
12-11-2010, 08:45 AM
The MLP Basic was quite easy to build.
Everything has to be reinforced very well, at last, is indeed something on it afterwards ...
As is spent a lot of cardboard and glue.

But the color differenceshttp://www.kartonist.de/images/bruell.gif You see it on the Top Deck between left and right side extremly....

mk310149
12-14-2010, 08:21 AM
THE SHOW MUST GO ON....

The MLP is as ready, the little pieces will be installed at the end, as they may be damaged ...
The pipes are really no pipes, but folded poorly resolved photocopies ...
The Hold Downs are constructed incorrectly, the inside must tend to inside, not to out side .... I'm with parts of the free downloads of mini-MLP from Greelt somewhat refined. But are still not correct, there must occur to me something, otherwise the rocket is too deep
But it gets even better ...http://www.kartonist.de/images/Smile/a050.gif

When I met God, I said, it is all that bad ...
he said smiling, could it get any worse ...
I smiled ... and there was WORSE! :eek:

How should we cut those lines properly ....
Amazing that the lower part of the LUT (still without any brackets) quite fits.
The inner tower (consisting of 4 parts) is also assembled. Amazing how you can achieve in 4 parts and 4 different colors. http://www.kartonist.de/images/Smile/309.gif
But it is vertical.

Paper Kosmonaut
12-14-2010, 10:31 AM
I think up till now you make a very decent LUT, Michael. It might not be a gift from heaven, to remain in your allegory, but you really make the best out of it.

The 'plumbing' disappoints me a bit, this must mean that also the better prints have those square blocky tube clusters instead of individual round pipes. But overall, I think your LUT will have an impressive look for everyone.

As for the blocky curves, I only can say that you got to follow the most natural line there. I'd draw a good curve over the pixels with a pencil.

Steady as she goes!

Groovin_Fusion
12-14-2010, 11:45 AM
I have a question. The tower section, pic's 9 and 10 don't look like the pic's at Edu-Crafts website. The pic's here are just boxes and the pic's at Edu-Craft show a structure that has many, many more parts. Can some one enlighten me here ?

mk310149
12-14-2010, 12:01 PM
I have a question. The tower section, pic's 9 and 10 don't look like the pic's at Edu-Crafts website. The pic's here are just boxes and the pic's at Edu-Craft show a structure that has many, many more parts. Can some one enlighten me here ?

Hey, I'm just starting the building!
It's for now only the inner part of the LUT!
The girders, platforms and stairs...comes later!
there are 18 Levels....

merzo
12-14-2010, 12:48 PM
Hi Michael.
Thank you for your compliment.
I also would like to congratulate the construction of the Proton.

LUT is also a favorite topic for me. I see the problem and follow it.

Question? LUT digital information? Drafting Opportunity?

Chromatic aberration is not printing problem?

Image file editing is not a solution?

I know that loss, construction has progressed, but Fotoshop:::

Just an opinion. Congrats on the building, interest in the solution.

Good job Merzo

mk310149
12-14-2010, 02:12 PM
Thank you, Merzo.
I don't know, I have understand it right...
But I have buyed the kit in USA, printed on sheets. I have no Files to editing....
look my first posting...

2Kamser
12-14-2010, 03:24 PM
hi mk, just admiring your LUT, looked at the pics of the hold down clamps and thought if the clamps from Greelt's model of the launch platform could be used, they are in 1:48 scale so you would have to rescale, but i think they look much better and more realistic
you can find it here The Lower Hudson Valley Paper Model E-Gift Shop (http://jleslie48.com/) at the download misc section almost at the bottom of page

Paper Kosmonaut
12-14-2010, 03:34 PM
Michael, another tip: If you have a scanner, scan the pages (if they are A4 r about that size). Then, print them out in a good resolution. In that case you can make mistakes (use the scanned versions first) and maybe even improve them in Photoshop or likewise applications.

mk310149
12-14-2010, 04:02 PM
Thank you for all your hints.

In the moment it goes on good.
And it is a kit not for professional use....
When you look here, there is coming the best I know, but at which time...
then I will be to old...

Kartonbau.de - Alles rund um's Kartonmodell... | Das Konstruktionsbüro | Apollo/Saturn V/LUT 1/96 (http://www.kartonbau.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=23444)

mk310149
12-15-2010, 04:57 AM
Mittlerweile hab ich das Problem der Holddowns gelöst, hab aus Scans (die ich vorher schon gemacht hatte) die inneren Teile neu angesetzt....jetzt passt es.

Auch der LUT schreitet fort.
So langsam freunde ich mich mit dem gewöhnungsbedürftigen Modell an.
Eine eigenwillige Mischung aus Foto und Zeichnung...

Meanwhile I've solved the problem of Hold Downs got from scans (which I had previously done this) is attached the inner parts again .... now it fits.

Also, the LUT is progressing.
I am beginning to friends with me to get used to the model.
An idiosyncratic mix of photo and drawing ...

Daedalus
12-15-2010, 05:14 AM
I have to say that despite the problems you've had (color, detail, accuracy, pixeling, etc..) your build looks quite good. I'm enjoying this thread a lot. I like to see problem solving in action. I cant wait to see the rest of the tower structure as is comes together.

As a thought, when your done constructing, you might be able to brush on a little weathering pastel chalk dust to balance out the color problem on the deck of the MLP.

peter taft
12-15-2010, 08:39 AM
I have to say that despite the problems you've had (color, detail, accuracy, pixeling, etc..) your build looks quite good. I'm enjoying this thread a lot. I like to see problem solving in action. I cant wait to see the rest of the tower structure as is comes together.

As a thought, when your done constructing, you might be able to brush on a little weathering pastel chalk dust to balance out the color problem on the deck of the MLP.

Great looking build thus far, and this idea from Daedalus may well work some magic :)

mk310149
12-15-2010, 09:44 AM
It's really a good idea!

Groovin_Fusion
12-15-2010, 10:23 AM
Hey, I'm just starting the building!
It's for now only the inner part of the LUT!
The girders, platforms and stairs...comes later!
there are 18 Levels....

OK, I see now what you are saying, there is an inside tower and another structure that wraps around it.

mperdue
12-15-2010, 11:20 AM
Nice work. I'll be following this thread closely as I have the 1:70 scale LUT and Crawler ordered.

Paper Kosmonaut
12-15-2010, 11:43 AM
I think the end result will even impress yourself, Michael. It is mostly the overall complete view that gives this model the finishing touch it needs, I think.

Daedalus' idea is brilliant, by the way.

Daedalus
12-15-2010, 03:02 PM
Every once in a while those neurons hit just right and I occasionally have a few good ideas. Just glad to be a part of this community that shares equally great ideas.

Paper Kosmonaut
12-15-2010, 06:10 PM
Glad to have you amongst us. (-:

mk310149
12-17-2010, 04:53 AM
It goes on ...
I've made the stairs, there are the next problems.
The backs are white .. I'm covered with colored paper.
No railing ... let's see if I somewhere Reeling etc. get. Here I also noticed that there are no railings at all ... neither the MLP nor the tower platforms.
In addition, the stairs probably not quite fit or the wrong way or whatever.
And there are only stairs to the 3rd Level ....
as they then to 17 level obviously the same, I have the 3rd Stairs must be scanned and probably 14 times print ...

In the 2nd Photo you see the staircase dilemma including the crappy internal pressure of the tower.

Lt. manual you should then assemble the tower sections and slide as a whole over the inner tower.
That seems pretty risky, since the bonding inevitably leads to the smearing ...
I'm So, at first the vertical columns and the supply pipes are installed each Segmant sliding over it. This becomes quite good ... except the back pressure of lousy piping (which do not even own, but are as a bow) and the lower only in the three levels have a back, so again it is colored paper asked. See last two photos ...
One could, of course make better, e.g. colored straws ... but I just do not want more ...

mperdue
12-17-2010, 03:33 PM
My models arrived today - Holy Cow! There's a lot of paper to cut and fold...

jagolden01
12-17-2010, 03:35 PM
WOW! Huge. Coming along nice!

mk310149
12-19-2010, 08:48 AM
Erst mal zur Verdeutlichung der Aufbau und die Montage der Levels. Die sind eigentlich alle gleich und wie ich mir schon dachte, einzeln besser zu montieren als in der Einheit, wie vorgesehen.
Die letzten drei oben (16 - 18) unterscheiden sich aber von den anderen und müssen dann doch als Einheit montiert werden.

Die Fotos zeigen die Höhe des Turms, der jetzt 130 cm misst...
Nun geht es an die "diagonal girders" - 144 Röhrchen sind zu rollen und zu verkleben als diagonale Verstrebungen des Towers. Zwei hab ich schon mal eingesetzt - das verwendete papier lässt sich saumässig rollen und zu lang sind sie auch alle.
Deshalb erst mal vorher noch die 15 Treppen für Level 3 - 17, die nicht dabei waren und ich anhand einer vorhanden Treppe der unteren Levels eingescannt habe.


First time to illustrate the structure and assembly of the levels. They're really all the same and as I already thought to be assembled individually better than in the unit as designed.
The last three above (16 - 18) but differ from the others and then it must be mounted as a unit.

The photos show the height of the tower, which now measures 130 cm ...
Now it goes to the "diagonal girders" - 144 tubes are roll and glued as diagonal bracing of the tower. Two I've ever used - the used paper roll can be lousy and they are all too long.
Therefore, only once before that the 15 stairs to Level 3 - 17 that were not there and I scanned I found reference to a staircase of the lower levels.

Paper Kosmonaut
12-19-2010, 09:40 AM
Wow! It might have its problems and shortcomings, this 1/96 tower but man, you really know your way to get around and solve them. Impressive, Michael. Good work.

Daedalus
12-20-2010, 05:27 AM
Very impressive! That model looks great, from here, despite the issues it has. I'm often chided on my stubborn tenacity, but I hesitate on the idea attempting something in this scale and magnitude. That thing is a MONSTER!
A well built monster;)

mk310149
12-22-2010, 08:39 AM
The next difficulty was the internal reinforcement in the lower 3 levels.
The outer parts are still inside pipes ... but everything inside should consist of flat strips, but stuck twice, but still no extra solid.
I made then T-profiles for the horizontal struts stuck with the retaining profiles and made the inner slopes of red-colored chopsticks ... now everything is pretty stable.
By the first 4 level the bracing is now complete....

Now ist stopping the projekt for a few days!
Merry Chrismas!http://www.freegifs.de/smilie/weihnachten/weihnachten_b009f2f2a36f27cb371e4203fd93fa94.gif

Paper Kosmonaut
12-22-2010, 09:00 AM
Good work! It looks pretty real to me on those pictures. Have a nice time the coming week, Michael. Frohe Weihnachten!

mk310149
12-31-2010, 10:30 AM
Die Streben (120 Stück) sind fertig und montiert.
Das Papier ist nicht so toll, ebenso der Laserdruck.

Auch die "Verrohrung" ist dran.
Naja, sind eh alles platte unscharfe Drucke. teilweise mit dem Bemühen etwas harauszuholen.
Man müsste eigentlich jedes Rohr separat herstellen, aus Trinkhalmen oder so. Aber wenn ich sehe, was man noch alles verbessern müsste....Hätte ich das Teil als PDF, wär vielleicht was drin, aber scannen war nicht sinnvoll möglich bei diesem Druck.
Eigentlich wär es schon in der Tonne, aber ich will mal sehen, was rauskommt. So richtig motiviert bin ich allerdings nicht mehr.



The braces (120 Units) are finished and assembled.
The paper is not that great, as is the laser printing.

The "piping" is up.
It looks not great, the flat print.....
You'd have to actually produce each tube separately from drinking strawsor something. But when I see what you all would have to improve even more .... If I had the parts as a PDF, perhaps what was in it would scan, but not making sense at this pressure.
Actually, it would give all into the trash, but I will see what comes out. I'mnot really motivated anymore.

Paper Kosmonaut
12-31-2010, 10:37 AM
For a tower made by a 'disappointed builder' it really looks very impressive anyway! I like the looks and your perseverance. With a Saturn on the pad it might be well worth watching.
Glückliches neues Jahr!
Happy New Year!

mk310149
01-01-2011, 05:07 AM
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Daedalus
01-02-2011, 06:33 AM
The model still looks great in the photos. I'd like to see this model to completion, though I can certainly understand your loss of motivation.

The most unfortunate thing about this model is that you don't have a digital copy that you can make personal tweeks or adjustments,or reprint parts on different paper.

To echo PK- for a disappointed builder, it looks great! I applaud your tenacity!

Have a Happy New Year.

peter taft
01-04-2011, 06:20 PM
The model still looks great in the photos. I'd like to see this model to completion, though I can certainly understand your loss of motivation.

The most unfortunate thing about this model is that you don't have a digital copy that you can make personal tweeks or adjustments,or reprint parts on different paper.

To echo PK- for a disappointed builder, it looks great! I applaud your tenacity!

Have a Happy New Year.

Ditto to all this. Would be a shame not to finish the project, and Like P K says, a Saturn sitting there would look marvellous - 1 uplight in each corner would make this very dramatic :) ;)

mk310149
01-07-2011, 08:46 AM
No, I don't stop the process....

With some distance and renewed energy to continue.
Is amazing how changing the image. I now have all 9 "Swingarm" finished, and several small items, such as Spotlight and camera platforms, Swingarm-receiver and stabilizing arms.
Some very good design, even for parts produced from each one (!) f.E. the gantries of the swinging arm. But the implementation .... something does not fit, 3 pages okay, the fourth was too long or short ... the drawings partially reversed, or wrong ...
okay, but you can improvise and yes there are spare parts!
And honestly, there are also very good workable parts.
In the end, it even looks pretty good. In the photos anyway and the original one has to go a meter away.....http://www.kartonist.de/images/Smile/n060.gif
Is like the studio-background in a movie ...http://www.kartonist.de/images/Smile/a050.gif
The rocket of Ton / Greelt does not fit all - it is a bit too long, ie I had to adjust the Swingarm something - but the place was enough in height.

Now only the top end - the Colby Crane is to build. This is determined once more a war of nerves, especially since it looks very detailed.:eek:

Paper Kosmonaut
01-07-2011, 08:53 AM
very nice! It looks very good. Strange that the rocket is too big. Or is the tower too small? (-;

mk310149
01-07-2011, 09:04 AM
This are only 10 mm...
so I placed the last 5 arms 2...4...6...8..10 mm higher and all is okay....
Only the gantries I have to customize...no problem.

Ron40
01-07-2011, 09:25 AM
A very captivating build. Due to it's complexity and your build
skills this would deserve a P.O.T.W. when completed in my
opinion....Ron

Retired_for_now
01-07-2011, 07:14 PM
Stunning in it's intricacy and your execution of the build!
Yogi

Daedalus
01-08-2011, 12:15 AM
Stunning! Absolutely amazing build. I'm glad you regained the energy to keep going. This is a great thread to read.

Tapcho
01-08-2011, 01:07 AM
The more parts you add the better it looks. And the pic of it with the rocket was fantastic. Go for it, this is going to look fantastic at the end of the day no matter what.

BR Tappi

mk310149
01-09-2011, 11:27 AM
Now I have the crane ready ....
This part is really succeeded very well. It seems it has created another designer ... Very detailed, the struts individually, only the bottom from below with the blue seems a bit strange.
At the end it looks now fairly decent, at least from the front ... from behind the flat printed sheets tubes look not very good.
But like the part now placed by me, it's okay.
I would say, it is about the style as that of Toni Mauritio, only more complex, but not better.

Documento sin título (http://www.maquetasdepapel.es/)

Now I'm going to finish the free download crawler from here:

Crawler Transporter (http://www.axmpaperspacescalemodels.com/CrawlerTransporter.html)

I have scaled it to 1:96 from 1:144 (DIN A3 + 12%) and will look and see to be good or not good...
I really wanted to order it at Edu-Kraft, but I do not know ....
Would be really nice if Mischa's LUT would go on, but I think it actually not that right. At any rate no faster than his crawler.....
And with 70 years I start this not more again.... http://www.kartonist.de/images/Smile/n060.gif


PS: The building of the rocket, my moon-landing-projekt and the crawler you can look here (it's in german, sorry)

Crawler and LUT (http://www.kartonist.de/wbb2/thread.php?postid=102829#post102829)

Apollo/Saturn (http://www.kartonist.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=4684)

mk310149
01-10-2011, 12:56 PM
So, ready, finished...

Ron40
01-10-2011, 01:05 PM
Michael,
You have certainly built an exceptional model. It deserves to
be considered for a P.O.T.W......Ron

Ashrunner
01-11-2011, 12:30 PM
Michael

Absolutely gorgeous. From top to bottom, it is beautiful.

Ron is correct...this model needs to be a POTW contender.

Well done.

Marco
01-12-2011, 09:12 AM
Excellent project, Michael, congratulations on finishing it!

Barry
01-12-2011, 09:49 AM
That's impressive and then some

kenlwest
01-12-2011, 10:17 AM
Michael,
You have certainly built an exceptional model. It deserves to
be considered for a P.O.T.W......Ron

I agree - Picture of the Week! What a great model! Now, what to do with it.....

Ken

mk310149
01-12-2011, 01:31 PM
Thank you for all your compliments, now I also slowly believe that it is a good model....
The place is near my PC in a corner (look the photo) an this is good for the moment.
http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/attachments/pasa-paper-aeronautical-space-administration/73168d1294592976-lut-edu-craft-100_0672-1.jpg

I hope, that there is not so much dust in my room.....:rolleyes:

mperdue
01-14-2011, 09:42 AM
The final product looks absolutely great! You've inspired me to get started on my 1:70 scale LUT. I'm currently looking at areas where I will make some changes. Mine will be for displaying a flying scale model of the Saturn V or Saturn 1B and will need to be beefed up a bit so I can set it up at our launch site. I also plan to add many of the missing handrails and such.

Beautiful work.

Mario

peter taft
01-16-2011, 08:24 AM
Abso-bloody-lutely brilliant workmanship and a superb finish. Now let me see.... did someone mention P.O.T.W - I will most certainly put this on my HOT LIST ;)

SAustin16
01-16-2011, 08:39 AM
You've built a beautiful model. I also like the Skylab stage below so that you can switch payloads.

Spaceguy5
01-16-2011, 02:38 PM
Scale looks off a tiny bit (Which is why I hate non-digital models <_______<), but either way, amazing!

closet astronaut
01-20-2011, 06:36 PM
Looks like you had some problems with the arms coming out in the wrong places on the rocket, at least the top arm where the astronauts enter. The reason I say that is because I had the same problems on my build. I had to remove several arms and relocate them after gluing them on. I palced them according to the specks on the instructions but after placing the rocket on the pad they wheren't lining up, I had about four already glued on. Mine was a 1/144 scale for the plastic Sat V model, I also had problems with the hold downs, I ended up using the hold downs from Greelt's 1/48 launch pad, I srunk them down to fit.

This monstrosity of a build was my first paper model, looking for a LUT for my plastic model was how I discovered paper modeling......what a way to start heh.

Excellent job! Have you seen the one built by George B? he took his build to the extream, I think his is a 1/48 scale and the detail is INSANE. All his piping is actual tubing and has AC and ventelation ducts.

mk310149
01-21-2011, 03:45 AM
You're right the arms are a little bit hanging down....
But if you change the position, there are problems with the stairs andgangways....

Another thing I see in your fotos...the sides of your MLP are wrong!
side 1 is in front, you have there the side 3!
You have to turn at 180° the sides or the deck....than you can see the passing of the pipes from MLP and LUT.

closet astronaut
01-21-2011, 08:49 AM
Yea.. something went wrong when putting the sides on the box...I don't remember what, but the part was already glued on, I had by chance scanned that piece before it was applied..luckily, so I printed it off again and put it in the correct place, glued it over the incorrect part and just left the other. This was the model I cut my teeth on, I noticed you actually used the paper rolls for the tube framing, I tried but couldn't make them work, so I ended up using coffee sturrers.
There are a few other mistakes to, if you look close you will see the main center struture for the tower is turned the wrong way putting the stairs on the wrong side, I learned alot on this model, mabe one day I'll do it over. I have a 1/48 Sat V if I had the room I would build it for this model. I'll start a new thread with some photos.

Sakrison
01-21-2011, 09:39 PM
hi mk, just admiring your LUT, looked at the pics of the hold down clamps and thought if the clamps from Greelt's model of the launch platform could be used, they are in 1:48 scale so you would have to rescale, but i think they look much better and more realistic
you can find it here The Lower Hudson Valley Paper Model E-Gift Shop (http://jleslie48.com/) at the download misc section almost at the bottom of page

It took a bit of hunting; it's under "Misc. Parts," not under the Apollo spacecraft section of the site.