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airdave
07-19-2011, 08:39 AM
Moments ago I suffered a big disaster.

I lost my main storage harddrive.
This is not just some files lost...this is my main separate harddrive that I use to store everything of importance.
It is separate from my PC...a standalone hardrive.

I have been meaning to backup this drive for a long time...copy it...clone it...anything

but I never did.

Moments ago, in an attempt to free up another storage drive, I accidentally reformatted the wrong drive.

On this drive I had every personal item from the last 10 years...photos, videos, artwork...
all my airbrush artwork, all my websites and website files.
All my collected Card Models and all my own creations.

I have lost everything...I am shaking and sweating and don't know how to recover from this.
I am typing this because I am so wound up, I need to do something, and theres nobody around me to yell at.
....

you aren't aware, but I just took along break from that last sentence.
My heart is about to explode.

The PT Boat project is done...I have no files, and I'm not sure if or when I will find the motivation to start it from scratch.
KoolWheelz are of course on indefinite hold...but those are simple enough I can start from scratch.
All other card model projects are gone and on indefinite hold.


My immediate concern is somehow recovering my websites.
I have created and maintain about a dowzen websites for myself and other people.
I have no idea how to deal with that.

10 years of collecting personal and family photos and such...
I can't believe how stupid I have been not backing these things up in recent years.
As I said, I was about to copy some files onto another harddrive, that was the whole point of formatting a drive and why the accident happened.

Now I'm just rambling...sorry
You don't realize how important the computer has become in your life
until something big like this happens.
I have had harddrive failures before...I have lost files.
But never anything like this.
Right now I am devastated.
Since this is also my main source of income, this has an even bigger impact.

I apologize for airing all this here...I am just trying to vent as much as possible, since I don't know what else to do.
This isn't an attempt at sympathy...you guys need not even reply to this post, because unless you can miraculously turn back time, you can't help me.
...but thanks for listening.

doctormax
07-19-2011, 08:53 AM
Damn thats awful.

KCStephens
07-19-2011, 08:55 AM
OMG That SUCKS!


My thoughts a prayers are with you!
I am no computer expert by any means but is there an undo software out there anywhere that could help you recover some of your lost data?
I did a quick google searck and found some stuff but have no idea if it would work for you... Undo Delete - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Downloads (http://download.cnet.com/Undo-Delete/3000-2094_4-10424570.html)

Good luck!

Mauri
07-19-2011, 08:56 AM
Dave,
It's really sad yo hear this. I will not even try to cheer you up, because I don't think I could find the words.

But there's always hope... I would suggest you take your HD into some repair shop and tell them to try to recover what can be recovered, you never know!

Besides that, I cannot tell you how sorry I feel. I am an amateur designer myself and have also all my stuff since 2004 in various CDs and DVDs plus in an external HD, just kike you. Just imagining losing all of it freezes my blood...

Let me say goodbye now and a big big "GOOD LUCK!". I really wish you can find some kind of solution to your situation.

Sidewinder81777
07-19-2011, 09:00 AM
being fresh from a format with nothing having been overwritten there is a good chance of recovering everything

bf109
07-19-2011, 09:01 AM
talked to our it specialist ,its seems there are companies that can still recover some of the files .is expensive and we dont know of any in your country.
our some programs like this Unformat hard drive (http://www.z-a-recovery.com/unformat-tutorial.htm) or google on unformat .


best is to do nothing and leave it alone untill you got the software (or a company ) even reboot or powerdown ..


ps I HAVE THE PICTURE OF YOUR BOAT thats atleast 1 picture (sry a joke might shear you up just a wee bit)

doctormax
07-19-2011, 09:05 AM
There is some lot called the tech fixers in ireland that say they can recover formated disks if you want to give that course a try I am sure we can club together and help you in this by paying towards this sort of service

sgoti
07-19-2011, 09:33 AM
I have used the Mac version of this program with a fair amount of success:

Data Rescue 3 (http://www.prosofteng.com/products/data_rescue_pc.php)

As others have said, with only a reformat and no data written, your chances of recovery are good.

Be aware though, that recovering data will take a long time. Also you end up with files (and file fragments) only- Nothing is sorted into directories, etc.

BEST OF LUCK, SIR!

Heidifixer
07-19-2011, 09:36 AM
Airdave, Relax, this sort of thing happens all the time in the I.T. world. As long as you don't do anything else to the drive, (write files to it, throw it in frustration, etc.) a professional can recover your data for you. Ask around, you probably have a friend that knows someone at work. (I think I'm safe in saying all cardmodelers are friends of Airdave!) You do want someone that does this for a living though. It won't even take them very long. It is important not to do anything else to it though.

Thanks for all your work, and best of luck!

Barry
07-19-2011, 10:30 AM
You need a guy who is a specialist "Disk Doctor" but check up with an authority before giving it to anyone. Formatting does not usually destroy files. If you are running a full antivirus program check with them to see if they copy the essential file position data.

Hope it all turns out well. Send Zathros an email !

Vermin_King
07-19-2011, 10:37 AM
I had a computer hard drive shoot craps on me once. I had already moved my work related files to a new one, but all my creations for The Sims game were gone except what were on CDs given to others. Photos, a song I wrote, and lots of 'little' things of great importance to me were plain flat gone. The replies on here sound hopeful for you. We definitely wish you the best.

sgoti
07-19-2011, 10:52 AM
You need a guy who is a specialist "Disk Doctor" but check up with an authority before giving it to anyone. Formatting does not usually destroy files. If you are running a full antivirus program check with them to see if they copy the essential file position data.

Hope it all turns out well. Send Zathros an email !

I like this suggestion better than my earlier one.

mchale
07-19-2011, 10:54 AM
nooooo
now that i got that out of my system
i feel sorry for your loss i hope you can recover most or all of what you lost just keep your head above water and dont forget to breath

Ron Caudillo
07-19-2011, 11:03 AM
Hi Dave,
Yes, don"t despair (yet anyway).

In my case, I was trying to restore a Windows installation and this resulted in reformatting AND reinstalling Windows.

Fortunately, I had purchased a program called 'Zero Assumption Recovery' (only $24.00 USD when I bought it) that I had been using to recover data from notebook drives. I was able to recover 85% on the data, even after a format and reinstallation of Windows!

Good luck, I'm looking forward to hearing your success!

By the way, recovering the hard drive cost me about 124 dollars, 24 for the program and 100 to fix the wall that I kicked in!

Best Regards,

marco1971
07-19-2011, 11:11 AM
Hello, do not despair, nothing is impossible. I have a friend who loses every 2 months all data from hard disks, but using EasyRecovery Professional recovers all. The program is very easy but you have another hard drive that is used to retrieve all the data that is equal to or greater than what you have. :)
Marco

JT Fox
07-19-2011, 11:12 AM
Sorry to hear of your troubles Dave.

Good luck getting it sorted.

Cheers JTF

rbeach84
07-19-2011, 11:19 AM
Dave, it sounds like there is hope to recover some if not the majority of your data. It probably won't be pretty but at the very least it would be better than having to start everything from scratch!

I am glad you can come to the forum for support. It sounds like the 'guys' here have some experience in this kind of event, so I am optimistic for your recovery efforts.

I hope this is a lesson for us all - all harddrives will 'die' whether by accident or otherwise so keep the backups cooking! I work on a help desk where I am constantly harping on my customers to backup their databases. Of course, I am as guilty as the next person - my last key data backup at home was probably four months ago. Guess I know what I'm doing tonight... I wonder if I should get another backup drive so I have two drives to protect me?

Wishing a speedy recovery for you, pal.

Gixergs
07-19-2011, 11:43 AM
So sorry to hear this,it does sound hopeful though which is the good thing about digital data,I hope you successfully recover everything. Good luck and best wishes Phil.

Zathros
07-19-2011, 12:52 PM
Dave, don't run any program on either drive. take it to a professional and pay the bucks. They will remove the drive storage discs and run them separately in a machine designed for that. It will cost but there is a really good change you will get almost everything back. If you run any other software, you will more than likely corrupt the structure and either make it unrecoverable, or a lot harder. Call around and find someone who specializes in this. I am so sorry for your loss!

On the drive that died, sometimes, if you have an identical drive that is working, you can swap the electronics, but when you open up a hard drive outside of a clean room, all kind of problems can happen. The software Ron Caudillo recommends could work, but you must be very careful that it does not write to that hard drive.

The Formatted drive may still have the data if it was a "soft" format. If you did a Hard Format ( you would know because it would take a long time) it is probably gone, but still,not necessarily. You really need an expert of data recovery on this.

These are the big boys on the block:

http://www.krollontrack.com/data-recovery/

http://www.diskdoctors.com/hard-drive-recovery.asp Your problem falls under "Logic crash" (human error)

opalmox
07-19-2011, 12:58 PM
Dave... All is not lost. As long as you haven't added anything to the disk drive, you should be able to recover everything. Follow the advise above, and get a professional to help you, and I don't mean the Geek Squad.

Having done computer security as part of a few different jobs that I've had, I know that the data is still there. It takes a lot of re-writing, and re-formatting a hard drive to wipe out all the data. So there is hope that you can get your data back.

whulsey
07-19-2011, 01:22 PM
I used to have nightmares about that when I was doing graphics and pre-press and checked around. As several have said what I found out was don't touch anything and call the pros on it. It will cost but they can usually retreive most data.

paulhbell
07-19-2011, 03:25 PM
Sorry to here this has happened to you Dave. I can't add any other advice to what the other guys have said about recovering your files, other than good luck and keep your chin up.

Regarding back up's, it's something I do very little of myself, no time to do it. After reading what happened to you, I will be finding time to back up now.

Tom Greensfelder
07-19-2011, 03:43 PM
Dave: in addition to the two companies Zathros recommended I can add Drive Savers. They recovered all the files for me off of an old "dead" Jaz drive. It was pricey though, over $600 as I remember. Good luck!

DriveSavers Data Recovery Services ? Hard Drive, Disk, & RAID Data Recovery (http://www.drivesaversdatarecovery.com/)

bf109
07-19-2011, 04:04 PM
should make a donation to dave thread if 600 members give 1 dollar he's out of problems and wont cost much for the rest .
its the least we can do for those free models of his !!

so who's with me ? this is $1:)

Airliner Art
07-19-2011, 04:04 PM
Here's hoping you get it fixed soon....tough loss for sure...

Art

sgoti
07-19-2011, 04:56 PM
should make a donation to dave thread if 600 members give 1 dollar he's out of problems and wont cost much for the rest .
its the least we can do for those free models of his !!

so who's with me ? this is $1:)

I'm in!

(I could probably kick in a wee bit more than a buck too...)

opalmox
07-19-2011, 04:58 PM
I'm game, and more for more than a buck.

ghshinn
07-19-2011, 04:59 PM
Me too. How can we arrange it?

Garland

Gixergs
07-19-2011, 05:05 PM
tell me how and I try to put something in

peter taft
07-19-2011, 05:05 PM
Dave, don't despair my old mate.... this is a job for International Rescue :) trust me... what Zath and a few other said, you will get your data back - it hasn't gone anywhere, just splatted a wee bit - just don't write to the drive, stay calm and you'll be good to go. If i can help with a donation i will, the other guys want to help and so do i. So hang in there bud - YOUR family is here ;)

Texman
07-19-2011, 05:13 PM
I've sent a message to Dave, and will let you know how best to accomplish this.
Just give me a little time ya'll.

wag
07-19-2011, 05:16 PM
I'm in-please let us know how to help.
Wayne

josh
07-19-2011, 05:17 PM
count me in, i'll give everything i can...

Vermin_King
07-19-2011, 05:19 PM
I'm in-please let us know how to help.


He has a donate link on his site ... Home (http://cutandfold.info/)

doctormax
07-19-2011, 05:20 PM
Count me in.

airdave
07-19-2011, 05:38 PM
I just heard about this, so I needed to stop by and make a comment.

Your support is extremely appreciated.
But please... don't make any donations, I will just refund them.

If you like my free models, you are always welcome to make a donation in that respect, I always accept!
But this is not your problem and you guys should not be responsible to fix it!!
I appreciate the support, but thats good enough!


The info I need is lost.
My collection of Videos, TV shows, interesting images, fun files, etc
and even my collection of card Models...can be replaced in time.

My personal files, photos of my kid, etc...are lost and that saddens me.
I have recovered a few image files...it will take me weeks to go through them to see what I got.
But a lot has gone.

The Model files I needed to recover just don't seem to be there (like my current PT Boat project)

Worst thing is the files associated with all the websites I build and currently maintain.
Its possible I can recover most of the individual image files that go on all the web pages, but that doesn't rebuild the sites...they will have to be rebuilt from scratch.
And thats months of work I can't handle right now.

I have recovered lost data before, if you know anything about, you will know that what you get is mixed up,
parted files, renamed, sorted into new groups. many files are corrupted and unrepairable. Many files get lost.

I am, as of this moment, running a second Data Recovery program on the drive,
but I don't anticipate any further major recoveries.
A day has passed, I have already run one program on the drive and some files have been moved through that drive.
So the chances of any more recovery is probably gone.

As I told Ray, my stress levels are at a maximum.
I am being very careful not to tax my blood pressure any more.
I am tired and worn out...feeling sick to be honest.
And I'm almost ready to call it a night.

This was a stupid mistake that didn't need to happen.
I was more focused on removing an eyesore, than paying attention to what I was really doing...and now I am paying for it.

So thanks again for the support.
I can't say much else at this time.
Dave

wag
07-19-2011, 05:41 PM
He has a donate link on his site ... Home (http://cutandfold.info/)
He might have lost access to that-lets wait for Texman to get back to us.
Wayne

wag
07-19-2011, 05:43 PM
Posted too late-nevermind
Wayne

Swampfox
07-19-2011, 06:33 PM
AirDave, my wife who use to do this kind of recovery said that it depends on the kind of reformat you did. IF you didn't do a "Wipe Disk", that you can recover ~ 90-95% of your data if you take it to a pro company that has the correct hardware/software to do the recovery.

It will cost some $$ to do this but as long as you don't start writing to the disk you'll get most of your stuff back..........

Keep us informed,
Swampfox

Zathros
07-19-2011, 08:03 PM
GetDataBack has been used in some shape or form since 2003 (maybe even earlier). This link is to the newest version. it is highly recommended on the electronics forum I haunt. Free to try.


Data Recovery - Data Recovery Software - RAID Recovery - NAS Data Recovery (http://www.runtime.org/)

mbauer
07-20-2011, 12:46 AM
Dave,

Sorry, to hear of your loss. Best wishes for a full recovery!

dang blasted 0's & 1's....

Wish there was something more I could do to help, you helped me recover my data last winter when my drive crashed, that tells me you know best what to do!

Best regards,
Mike Bauer

John Dell
07-20-2011, 11:21 AM
I’m really sorry to hear this. I’ve been watching this thread in hopes that you can recover at least some of your files. Similar things have probably happened to all of us. It is such a sickening feeling though.

airdave
07-20-2011, 12:06 PM
Thanks again guys

As I said before, many things can be replaced in time.
Collected stuff from the Net can be replaced.
I have already recovered a lot of jpegs and Gifs.
Many personal images/photos have been duplicated or backed up over the years.

I am saddened by the potential loss of a large amount of photos of airbrush art.
(I still am not sure how much might have been copied in other places)
I photograph every art job I do...but since getting a PC, I stopped printing
photos and now just save them on the computer.
A lot of this artwork is long gone and the photos can't be reshot.

The two biggest issues are the loss of actual "working" files, like the base Corel files for card models and other art projects.
And, all my base working files for all the websites I have built and maintain.

I am notifying people right now who own certain websites.
This is probably my biggest headache, because not only will it takes weeks and months to rebuild these sites, but I can only do one at a time.
I have about 12 sites to rebuild.
And theres no money to be made in rebuilding the sites.

I am still in the process of sorting through recovered data...its remotely possible that there are more Corel files in the bunch. (I have found a few unimportant ones so far)
The website templates are unretrievable though.

....

on a lighter note, I am actually preparing two new Hercs for release!
lol
These are simple enough, because I can work from the already released PDF files
and just make the necessary changes (different aircraft numbers and markings)

If I don't find the PT Boat design files...
I have already decided to cut up the prototype I have been building.
I'm sure I can scan all the individual parts and use that as a starting point to rebuild a pattern.
Not the ideal way of doing it, but better than starting from scratch.

...

Once again guys, I appreciate the support and helpful thoughts.

Ashrunner
07-20-2011, 12:25 PM
Dave

I know the pain of a disk loss all too well. But I also know a program mentioned in this thread earlier is one of the best for recovery.

Zero Assumption Recovery - Data Recovery Software, Solutions, Tutorials, Forum - ZAR Data Recovery (http://www.z-a-recovery.com/) - is one of, if not the best program I found to get back lost data. Using it, I have been able to recover images I lost on CF cards after formatting the card. I've also found items from years ago which deleted off my hard drive. It is an amazing program and might just be your saving grace.

Maltedfalcon
07-20-2011, 12:34 PM
If all you did was format it.
Recuva - Undelete, Unerase, File and Disk Recovery - Free Download (http://www.piriform.com/recuva) should bring it all back
and it's free software.

however if after you formatted you wrote to the disk any files you wrote over will be gone.

ct ertz
07-20-2011, 01:00 PM
Yep, sounds worthy. Dave, set up a pay pal account and I will pitch in a few bucks. I like your work. I would be glad to help out as much as I can.
CT

airdave
07-20-2011, 05:38 PM
just wanted to say thanks again for all the support!

TANKS AND BIG GUNS!

oh...and Lauren...

YOU DA MAN BRUTHA!!

This afternoon, I had just about given up...
and was settling in to go through what little files it looked like I was going to find.

I have run two free Data recovery softwares.
Highly recommended programs.
Worked exactly liked I expected them too.
Didn't recover what I needed to.
But did recover a lot of stuff.

the task of going through hundreds and hundreds of unnamed folders,
and unnamed files and trying to sort it all
was beginning to look like a nightmarish effort though.

And of course, by now, I have run two recoveries and moved files here and there...which is destroying any further chance of finding stuff..

OR IS IT?!

Lauren...I just went and got ZAR data recovery...
and know what?

it has found at least as much as the other two programs
AND! IT FOUND:
all my current model project files
all the corel files
the PT Boat file
my current Koolwheelz files

IT EVEN FOUND MY WEBSITE USER FILES!!!!!!!!!

and heres the best part...everything can be recovered in its original directory tree!
all in its original folders and everything.

Now... it looks like there is still a lot of missing and corrupted files,
mostly jpegs and other images, music files, etc, but I can live with that.

This is only their free download version...apparently it only will extract 8 folders (or something like that)
I have to go buy a License now that will allow it to extract all the files.
Its about $60

But thats a lot better than the hundreds you guys were telling me earlier! LOL


.....

I can't tell you how relieved I am...this has been a long 24 hours...
and even if I don't get everything back, just to have that current work and those Website user files back is worth it!

....

As I said before, this isn't anyone elses problem but mine
and I don't expect anyone else to pay for it!

But... if anyone still wants to help out...go to my website www.cutandfold.info
(http://www.cutandfold.info)download one of my free models
and throw me a dollar or two to help toward the costs of the strorage and hosting of the free models.
(use the donation link located on my site... through paypal)


I'm off right now to buy the ZAR license and then hopefully open up a PT Boat file!!!
woohoo!!!


and I highly recommend, if anyone ever gets in this spot,
ZAR data recovery is the program that really works!!

Vermin_King
07-20-2011, 05:41 PM
Hallelujah!!!

doctormax
07-20-2011, 06:00 PM
That is good news dave, I was wondering why they were saying six hundred bucks when a company in ireland says they will recover your data for 69 euro to be honest. The Tech Fixers (http://thetechfixers.com/online_computer_repairs.php?PHPSESSID=4d1e7a783940 42ed85d774f920799bfb)
I sent you five dollars yesterday with paypal on your site ;)

airdave
07-20-2011, 06:40 PM
That is good news dave, I was wondering why they were saying six hundred bucks when a company in ireland says they will recover your data for 69 euro to be honest. The Tech Fixers (http://thetechfixers.com/online_computer_repairs.php?PHPSESSID=4d1e7a783940 42ed85d774f920799bfb)
I sent you five dollars yesterday with paypal on your site ;)

yes, I know...thanks martin...and I refunded it yesterday!
I just didn't want you guys to pay for my problem

mchale
07-20-2011, 06:43 PM
Yes yes yes all right I was praying that your files would be still there

ashevilleangler
07-20-2011, 07:21 PM
Dave, are those angels I hear singing or is it you??

YaHoooooo! And we now know two very important things,... Back up your data and,......Back up your data!!!!!!

Seriously I'm very happy for you.

Curt

airdave
07-20-2011, 07:40 PM
well, I don't follow any religion
but believe me... I was prayin' too!

and the (blue) angels are singin' backup right now.

Loui
07-20-2011, 08:00 PM
... i'm glad to know that your files are recovered. check and double check :) . -Loui-

richkat
07-20-2011, 08:25 PM
GREAT glad to hear it Dave.........Rich

papermodelfan
07-20-2011, 08:48 PM
Oh Man, Dave - congratulations!! This thread needs to go in a very special place, with a big Red Button on it that says "Don't Panic", (for when I am totally panicked). My weekend project list includes now the big back up. Never too often, I guess.

richkat
07-20-2011, 08:56 PM
I tell you "Carbonite" is wort the money....Rich

Zathros
07-20-2011, 11:14 PM
Happy top hear it has all somewhat worked out for you, GetDataBack and ZAR's, are currently the some of better programs out there. Both see stuff the others don't. You might try running the trial software of GetDataBack to see if it may pick up some more files. No software does everything. That's why I.T.'s tend to have more than one software package to rely on.

GetDataBack continually rates higher than ZARS though. That is also the opinion at CNET, and a lot of other forums,and reviewers.

(http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-software.htm)

calinous
07-21-2011, 04:22 AM
I've used a program named "Lost&Found" years ago with good success - but it was only for FAT32 drives.
I'm sure there's a way to save most (if not) of your data. Good luck!

bf109
07-21-2011, 05:57 AM
GREAT NEWS!!!!!, i'm very happy for you .
pls dont forget after restore to BACKUPyou're files ,
there are several programs that do that auto. for you (BUT YOU PROBABLY KNEW THAT ALREADY :))

John Dell
07-21-2011, 06:35 AM
This is good news. I'm very happy you are able to recover your files. It still sounds like you have a lot of work but not nearly as much as trying to replace everything.

mldixon
07-21-2011, 06:43 AM
Sorry to read about this Dave
But glad you were able to save the bulk of it.

ghshinn
07-21-2011, 07:40 AM
Glad it worked out for you, Dave.

Garland

YankeeBoy
07-21-2011, 09:25 AM
Happy for your recovery. I had one several years ago that did not turn out quite so well. Anyway - no excuses now - get back to work! :)

rbeach84
07-21-2011, 01:42 PM
of demi-relief! Yes, some really good products out there.

Uyraell
07-21-2011, 02:51 PM
Dave, I'm more than glad you have recovered the important bulk of your major files.
I had little to contribute by way of tech knowledge, yet your plight struck a deep note of sympathy in me.

I'm extremely glad your major work has been rescued.

Kind and Respectful Regards my friend Dave, Uyraell

Peter Epps
07-21-2011, 07:55 PM
Dave,
When I read the tale of your ordeal I freaked. A similar thing happened to me and I had thousands of images on the drive that I had taken over the years. I tried system recoveries and nothing worked. So I have the drive in storage for a better idea. And here you are with the better idea. I will try the software that you wrote about with my fingers crossed. My point if I seem to be skirting it is you have given me some hope for something I thought was lost forever.
Thanks
Peter

airdave
07-22-2011, 08:00 AM
its funny, now I am finding the many, many places I have duplicated various file folders
...all over my system! lol

I guess, over the years, I think about it every now and then, and keep backing up files.
But do you think I can remember when and where I put them?! lol NO!

Photos are one thing I am always making multiple copies of...but they are not always on separate drives, which is dumb.
I do however, regularly burn Photo CDs/DVDs...if I could do it every month or so, it would be better.

airdave
07-22-2011, 08:03 AM
That ZAR recovery program did me a huge favour...
it not only recovered most of the lost data,
but it gave me back my directory structure.
My files weren't retrieved loose and unsorted.
Everything got its proper name back, in its original folders,
sorted into the original directories.

So, even file links within folders and programs still point to the right places!

I am thrilled that the program was suggested and I hadn't completely resigned myself to sorting through all the earlier retrieved data.

doctormax
07-22-2011, 08:27 AM
yes, I know...thanks martin...and I refunded it yesterday!
I just didn't want you guys to pay for my problem
it was no trouble and it has not come back yet do i think that is more the case that the O2 credit card are slow anyway at such things took them four days to show money returned to me from a person on ebay before so it most likely will appear tommorow are later on today knowing them If not its is to help with the cost of designing the pt boat ;)

airdave
07-22-2011, 08:53 AM
it was no trouble and it has not come back yet do i think that is more the case that the O2 credit card are slow anyway at such things took them four days to show money returned to me from a person on ebay before so it most likely will appear tommorow are later on today knowing them If not its is to help with the cost of designing the pt boat ;)

Martin...I'm not sure what happened...

I issued a refund at paypal...it even showed me how it was reversing the donation and the paypal fees...and I got a message detailing the "refund".

But I just checked my paypal account, and it still shows your donation
and still has the option of issuing a refund.
And it does not show any earlier refund taking place.

I've had a lot of trouble logging into Paypal this week, not sure if it is related in any way.

As it stands, I am assuming that the "refund" did not process, and I still have your donation.

If its okay with you, I will accept it along with any other donations to help keep the free models alive at my website (Home (http://www.cutandfold.info)).
That is the only thing I am asking for donations for...its the only thing where I have to put out money to provide something for someone else.

Another round of THANKS for all those who support me!
It means a lot.

Zathros
07-22-2011, 10:45 AM
Dave, "you reap what you sow'". (I don't mean the computer problem either!). :)

airdave
07-22-2011, 11:12 AM
...you sow



did you just call me a swine?

doctormax
07-22-2011, 11:14 AM
Martin...I'm not sure what happened...

I issued a refund at paypal...it even showed me how it was reversing the donation and the paypal fees...and I got a message detailing the "refund".

But I just checked my paypal account, and it still shows your donation
and still has the option of issuing a refund.
And it does not show any earlier refund taking place.

I've had a lot of trouble logging into Paypal this week, not sure if it is related in any way.

As it stands, I am assuming that the "refund" did not process, and I still have your donation.

If its okay with you, I will accept it along with any other donations to help keep the free models alive at my website (Home (http://www.cutandfold.info)).
That is the only thing I am asking for donations for...its the only thing where I have to put out money to provide something for someone else.

Another round of THANKS for all those who support me!
It means a lot.
Yes it is fine with me.

Zathros
07-22-2011, 12:34 PM
did you just call me a swine?


NO no no,:confused: that would be: "You reap, what, you sow!" , (as an example, not my intent at all, not at all):)

airdave
07-22-2011, 12:36 PM
you definitely just called me a pig!

MrMidwayMan
07-22-2011, 02:30 PM
(Um... I hope your joking about the pig stuff dave...)

Other than that, If your REALLY desperate, ask some cop buddies, they can work magic if they feel sympathetic. I'm not sure if this would work...But if your despreate...

airdave
07-22-2011, 02:56 PM
it really loses something when you have to explain it...
he called me "a sow"
a sow is a female pig
its a play on words obviously
Definition of SOW. 1: an adult female swine.
its just became easier, when the punctuation was changed
eg You reap [comma] what [comma] you sow!"
never mind
I'm going back to wiping harddrives now

nebeltex
07-22-2011, 02:57 PM
i'm very pleased to hear that you have your files/life back.... for us prolific artists, our files/art are our life. you have done excellent work, and even the more "experienced" of us have learned a lot from you, one way or another, on the balance positive. thank you for all of it. good job!

nebeltex
07-22-2011, 03:02 PM
sorry D, but the reference "sow", does not rhyme with "sau", as in sauerkraut. it rhymes with "sew", like what a seamstress does, but is actually what farmers do....

airdave
07-22-2011, 03:13 PM
I guess I didn't HEAR him correctly.
I must make sure to LISTEN better when I READ

Surely that explains it.
And no, I didn't call you Shirley.

Next time I will look under THERE for the answer.




see? I just made you say underwear.


don't buy this man a book of puns for christmas!

SCEtoAUX
07-22-2011, 04:23 PM
Well if it is any constellation, I understood what was happening.:)

Zathros
07-22-2011, 05:03 PM
..........:)

peter taft
07-22-2011, 06:34 PM
Hey.... OUR Dave is back - The humour is proof. Soooo pleased you are sorting, what seemed a nightmare situation into something manageable. This sir is defo F.A.B. Even Mr Ron would be pleased for ya :):)

rbeach84
07-26-2011, 03:45 PM
Happiness.

Of course, I went and mirrored off a copy of all my 'irreplaceables', then unplugged the external drive and put it in my sock drawer. Until next time...

Zathros
07-26-2011, 04:07 PM
I am ordering a new 3Terrabyte hard drive, removable, so I can back up stuff. This thread just makes me nervous.

michael dazzo
07-29-2011, 06:06 PM
hi air dave here's a great saloution! do the unthinkable? burn cd's lots of them then if your harddrive has a problem at least you'll have saved all you hard paying off works never to be lost ever again!and when you get your new computer or hard drive you can download all your models up on a new one. :) :) i hope this helps you out!
i have over 10000 save up models allready in my cd's but not your's only's if you want me too. and i don't steal copyright ether. i respect them a give fill credit to you dave and otheres :)

airdave
07-29-2011, 07:16 PM
many many times, I think "burn some CDs or DVDs"?!

and then I look at the number of files to burn...

and then I look at the amount of work I need to do

...and then I look at all the current projects

...and then I look at my ceiling

and I usually go watch a movie at that point.

peter taft
07-30-2011, 04:06 AM
many many times, I think "burn some CDs or DVDs"?!

and then I look at the number of files to burn...

and then I look at the amount of work I need to do

...and then I look at all the current projects

...and then I look at my ceiling

and I usually go watch a movie at that point.

But is that film worth it :rolleyes: I guess by now you realise the answer is NO ! I hate the task also my friend, but it just has to be done. I lost a "One and only" backup dvd of all the photographs i had ever taken, i was in a state of "OMG" for a very VERY l o n g t i m e - infact i have never gotten over it ! Since then, i have multiple copies of everything i own on the pc, extra drives - dvd's etc etc. I wont get caught again {he says, hopefully} :)