Ferrari 430 engine and the Enzo V12 engine

[retunga]

Hi All

here is what I am currently busy designing and working on at the moment.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/engine_ac.jpg


The end produect will be a cut away version of Ferrari 430 engine and the Enzo V12 engine

I know that there is a model that has been done of a cut away engine but it only has pistons that move and no valves or cams and I am busy working on the the model to have valves and cams that work and move to the correct timing.


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/ferrari-f430-engine.jpg

[Ron Caudillo]

Now that is one cool project! Good luck and keep up updated with LOTS of photos and screenshots!

Best Regards,

[sqwarsh]

now that would be fun to build!

[retunga]

This model is going to take a bit of time, the piston deisgn is complete, the one part that is going to take time is the head.

The conrod's are been worked on at the moment and the block with the v engine offset.
...

[retunga]

Update time, I have been a busy at work and also family things as well, but here we go, the block of the engine is about 90% complete, the timing from the crank to the cam's is 60% complete, Crank is 98% complete firing order is as per the F140C type engine, just the assembly jig needs to be worked out and set up.

Here is a few screen shots of the engine.
I have now decided to base the model close to the Ferrari V12 Engine of the 599 GTB Fiorano, the F140C engine but it will not be identical as paper does have it's limits and also what I want to show as cut away's.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/WIP_CRANK_1.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/WIP_CRANK_2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/WIP_CRANK_3.jpg

The scale blocks in front of the engine is a 10x10x10mm cube.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/WIP_COMPLETE_1.jpg

More to follow.

:-)
R

[retunga]

The aim is to get it to be as close as possible to this Engine
F140C
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/ferrari599.jpg

[Don Boose]

This is a formidable project!

Don

[mldixon]

Now this is interesting subject. What scale will you be prsenting the final model?

[retunga]

The one problem that I have is that I do not have any technical specs in sizes of the engine length and so on.

The info that I do have the firing order, the owners manual in what is noted in there.
So I am going by what can be printed and worked with on A4 and Letter size paper as to keep the costs down, and this is also 160 gram paper as well to keep it's shape.

At the moment I have 38 designed unique pages of which many will be printed 12x but I would guess the unique page are going to be up to +/- 80 pages, and then the multi printing after that.

Fun fun fun ....

[retunga]

One thing that I am trying to avoid is the use of steel in any form, but I have to change my view to that with regard to the springs for the valves, but that will custom made so that anyone can make springs for the engine at the end of the day.

R

[retunga]

Just a quick update, the number of fixed pages before doing multiple is 46 pages and that now includes the bell housing.

[Karl]

This is a huge project, looking forward to seeing it complete.

[retunga]

Time for an update on the V12 design, there has been some delays due to PC HDD crash and so on but here goes:

- Bell housing is done with a hand crank for setting the timing
- The flywheel ring gear is now complete as well as the motor that will power the rotation of the engine.
- I have now completed the the electronic controller for the motor so that it can power the motor with the following features:
- The use of AC and DC can now be used to power it with any DC type of connection, meaning that if you power it up and the + and - are not in the correct order it will not matter, and it AC power can also be used, in both cases the input supply voltage does need to be 17VDC or 17VAC
- The is an over load protection circuit in place so that if the motor starts drawing high current it will stop it from blowing up and setting the model alight, legal thing. The current limit is set to 1 Amp
- The circuit is adjustable to work up to 12V dc should the motor that I designed the model around is not obtainable in ones area and 12 motors of a different size available it can be used.
- there is LED's setup as to simulate the spark plugs firing.
- At the moment I am busy working the all of the micro switch's into the engine.

I will post a screen shot or three when all the timing work is complete.

R

[retunga]

Here is the schematic for the engine timing with all of the bells and whistles

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/sch.jpg

Enjoy

R

[retunga]

Next update, now that the circuit diagram and circuitery is now designed, the timing for the spark plug lights can now be completed

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/timing_1.jpg

I have not shown the wires but the is an opening for the wires to move back the circuit board.

R

[rewalston]

I have the paper model from Yees Jobs at V12 Engine Paper Model (http://www.yeesjob.com/v12engine.htm). I haven't started it yet but I would love to build it as well as your model. They both look formidable. With yours all I have to do is figure out how to make the circuit board. I can solder components but have never actually made a board before. Keep up the good work I'm looking forward to it's completion so I can prove my wife right ......I'M A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT.

Rusty

[retunga]

With the circuit board I am going to have it done with the veroboard which is normally solid over the world as a devlopment type board, I still have to do that part of the design in that of showning how the tracks, cuts and components are placed, but for now that will be drawn up when the model is in the building stage. The thing with Yees model is that he uses a gearedmotor to reduce the speed so that part will move and the problem is that the gearedmotor is not for sale in all parts of the world and I did find a shop online that has the unit but when it came to ordering one and getting costs the webpage used never replied. So I have designed the this model in a way that if the gearedmotor is not for sale in ones part of the world and you can find a replacement, you can do so and that is why I have set the circuit up so that one can adjust the supply voltage to the motor to suit it's requirements, the circuit will handle voltages from 1.5V to 12.3V DC.
The one other thing also is that with the micro switchs if one also can not get the ones that I have used in the design you can make a plan in that of epoxy gluing them in place as well.
At the moment I just want to start building the model but as the designer voice and experience in the work place has shown me designing it in 3D CAD and from there flat packing it afterwards is the correct way so as to not rebuild and fix major problems later.

R

R

[retunga]

Well it is time for an update on the design of the engine, at the moment I am busy with the cyclinder head of the engine, this is where I am at the present moment in time.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/head_part_1.jpg

The springs are going to be made from steel wire, this is most likely one a of the few times that paper will not be used to make the engine work in it's correct maner, I have thought about using the Ducati valve setup, but that will not work with the idea of it been a Ferrari engine but if I do, do a new design of an engine that is not brand related then I will use that valve timing and mechanics of the engine.

R

[retunga]

Here is the next set of updates to the design of the engine, the cyclinder head is now complete.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/head_finish_1.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/head_finish_2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/head_part_2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/head_part_3.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/head_engine_1.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/head_engine_2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/head_engine_3.jpg

The next part is now getting the timing of the valves correct and flat packing the parts needed to build the heads

R

[retunga]

I have the following part still to complete for the engine design:

1:- Inlet manifolds
2:- the Exhaust no longer than 30mm
3:- Timing cover
4:- Inlet air box Assembly and conection to to the inlet manifold
5:- Water pipe flanges
6:- Fuel injection system
7:- misc. things that will only seen when the above list is done.

At the moment I am hoping to get the building part of this project going by February March next year.

I want to do the manifold and exhausts first then I will flat pack the whole head.

[rewalston]

Looking good my friend. Looking forward to it's completion and building it myself.

Rusty

[tomorrow]

It looks formidable. But I have interesting .

[retunga]

At last the design work for the engine is 95% complete, only the timing cover, inlet manifold and the fuel rail needs to be flat packed and then the build can start.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/engine_complete_1.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/engine_complete_2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/engine_complete_3.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/engine_complete_4.jpg

This model is not going to be a small build at all, as the above picture shows it is 737mm's long, by 383mm wide and 430mm high.
The engines cc capacity is 1811cc or 151cc per a cyclinder.
The bore and stroke is 62x50mm

At the moment the head requires about 102 A4 pages of paper, and the engine block with pistons is about 84 pages.
I am guessing that it it would need about 250 pages of paper in A4 or letter size, as I have set the design up for both printed options.

R

[rewalston]

Oh I am soo ready for this ) I'm working on a 1/2 scale v-Twin engine right now that everything moves in it. It utilizes finger power to make it move :).

Rusty

[retunga]

by any chance is that the yee model of the bike engine that you are busy with?

[rewalston]

by any chance is that the yee model of the bike engine that you are busy with?

Yep that's the one I'm working on. I've found a few problems with the cylinder 's air cooling fins. His pictures show them nice and flat, well mine are not. I followed his directions for cutting the parts out "follow the lines" I believe that the warping I have with the fins is that they had to be slightly "stretched" to fit around the central cylinder. But over all it's coming out pretty well. I'm building this to "test" techniques that are needed for Yee's V-12 before I restart the build on it. I'm also going to build yours, it looks a lot more cool :).

Rusty

[Bionic Modeler]

I have the paper model from Yees Jobs at V12 Engine Paper Model (http://www.yeesjob.com/v12engine.htm). I haven't started it yet but I would love to build it as well as your model. They both look formidable. With yours all I have to do is figure out how to make the circuit board. I can solder components but have never actually made a board before. Keep up the good work I'm looking forward to it's completion so I can prove my wife right ......I'M A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT.

Rusty

$9,550 US Dollars? Holy crap!!!

[rewalston]

$9,550 US Dollars? Holy crap!!!

Bionic Modeler, that is if you want to purchase the Master Build. Not to buy the kit. I've talked to Yee Job's personally and he gave me permission to sell the models that I make, not the kit, but the completed models. And there is NO WAY I would sell them for that, maybe for a couple hundred but now where near what he charges. I don't know how I would charge for them though as they do take time to build.

Rusty

[retunga]

$9,550 US Dollars? Holy crap!!!

the build it yourself version is a lot cheaper, but I have not built it and when I looked at it and trying to get all the parts to it, it was not for sale where I live and whe I enquired in the USA for the parts I never got a reply, and also the model was setup in Letter paper size and convert that to A4 was to much of a issue and also the engine also did not look right and I have from there cancelled the idea and left it to rot away on a backup drive.

This version that I have designed from scratch will be released in A4 and Letter size paper, the only thing that has come out of Yee's model is the idea of doing a V12 cut away engine, the rest of the engine is 100% is my work and design, the mechcanics of the Yee's model has everything inclosed by the fan to just to move the pistons up and down.
This V12 engine is going to be powered up from the starter motor location and motion is done by gears and cams, I have also set the design up in a way that sould the electric motor that I am using for this model is not for sale where you are, you can use a smilier motor with a few mod's around the starter motor area of the engine and the electronics will also allow your use motors that can run on 12V as well.
Yee's model is not that flexible in that respect.
The cyclinder head on Yee's model looks completely wrong it is to short and the bell housing is also wrong.
Yee has done an excellent job of making his engine move in a very arty way but not true to form of a engine.

R

[retunga]

Well at last the model is now completely flat packed, and there is a lot of papers and parts:

The model is made of 107 unique papers
The model will need 316 pages of paper :eek:
The model will be made up of 6079 single parts that will make this engine a reality.

that excludes the electronics and wires which I still need to work out, the veraboard version, the Printed PCB version is in place.

I have not yet worked out the complete number of finished parts there are going to be, but would guess around the +/-250 pieces ????

I worked out the approx. mass of the model and it will be about 3kg's of paper and I am putting about 1kg aside for glue.
I weighted a piece of 160gr. A4 paper and after doing some sums each A4 page of 160gr. paper is approx. 9.8gr and I would guess the Letter would be about the same.

In thing that I still need to do on the artworks is to number the parts and come up with a nice way of doing it.

but for now I am doing about 1 year side to complete this build I would say that if I complete it any sooner than that would be a world of luck.

I would say that this is going to be a fun build and then a long visit to a mental hospital to bring me back to the real world ;)

Here is a quick render of the model in what it most likely will look like, this only took me 5-10 minutes to do, of which the quality of the render is not good, but fiar.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/render_engine.jpg

R

[rewalston]

the build it yourself version is a lot cheaper, but I have not built it and when I looked at it and trying to get all the parts to it, it was not for sale where I live and whe I enquired in the USA for the parts I never got a reply, and also the model was setup in Letter paper size and convert that to A4 was to much of a issue and also the engine also did not look right and I have from there cancelled the idea and left it to rot away on a backup drive.


R

I was able to find all the parts needed to build it. As I said I'm working on the V-Twin right now and will be building both Yee's V12 and yours as well.

Rusty

[rewalston]

Well at last the model is now completely flat packed, and there is a lot of papers and parts:

The model is made of 107 unique papers
The model will need 316 pages of paper :eek:
The model will be made up of 6079 single parts that will make this engine a reality.

that excludes the electronics and wires which I still need to work out, the veraboard version, the Printed PCB version is in place.

I have not yet worked out the complete number of finished parts there are going to be, but would guess around the +/-250 pieces ????

I worked out the approx. mass of the model and it will be about 3kg's of paper and I am putting about 1kg aside for glue.
I weighted a piece of 160gr. A4 paper and after doing some sums each A4 page of 160gr. paper is approx. 9.8gr and I would guess the Letter would be about the same.

In thing that I still need to do on the artworks is to number the parts and come up with a nice way of doing it.

but for now I am doing about 1 year side to complete this build I would say that if I complete it any sooner than that would be a world of luck.

I would say that this is going to be a fun build and then a long visit to a mental hospital to bring me back to the real world ;)

Here is a quick render of the model in what it most likely will look like, this only took me 5-10 minutes to do, of which the quality of the render is not good, but fiar.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/render_engine.jpg

R

I love it Retunga. I'm looking forward to building it. I'm really a glutton for punishment, I swear. But building paper models keeps me out of trouble.

Rusty

[rewalston]

Retunga, I had stated in an earlier post that I was working on the V-Twin from Yee Job's. Well here it is.

Rusty

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j364/Rusty_Walston/DSC00080-2_zpse1fd6f02.jpg

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j364/Rusty_Walston/DSC00079-2_zpsfd279ca8.jpg

[retunga]

Cool it looks good, I am now busy with the build of my V12 engine, at the moment I am busy with the electronics of the engine that of the electric motor and timing systems, I will post a picture later of the first part that is working.

:-)
R

[retunga]

Well the model build has now started, the first part of the model that I building and completing is the electronics for both the test build of the engine and final full build it requires the same electronic circuits.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130102-00080_zps2a42f45c.jpg

This photo shows the power supply circuit under devlopment test, and it works quite well, it needs min voltage of 10.5V at 65mA no load to run, but 13.5V with at least 3A supply would be better.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130104-00100_zps0504aa1f.jpg

This photo is the complete electronics needed to power the engine with a supply voltage checker, 13.5V = good and 10.5V = bad.

The geared motor is also running under no load at 115mA at 6Vdc, i will most likely run the motor at 2 - 2.5Vdc at the end of the day.

R

[rewalston]

looks good Retunga. As I stated I finished the V-Twin. Now I'm contemplating doing the V-12 that I have. I have all the electronics that it requires, found everything on the web and didn't cost an arm and leg either. I'm just dreading the repetitive work and the length of time for the build. I might have to build it in stages and work on other models at the same time to cut the monotony.

Rusty

[retunga]

Well it is time for an update on the devlopment work of the engine, I have now busy test building the piston, conrod, and cyclinder bore of the engine of which there is a few small mod's needed to get it spot on but here is the photos of the test build parts.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130128-00119_zpsb088bd97.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130129-00120_zps2675c669.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130129-00121_zps2c8133c7.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130129-00122_zps33fa7535.jpg

More photos will follow as the build goes on.

R

[Seascape]

Wow, looks great. What is the final size of the engine when completed?

Fred

[rewalston]

Wow, looks great. What is the final size of the engine when completed?

Fred

The following is quoted by Retunga earlier in the thread:

This model is not going to be a small build at all, as the above picture shows it is 737mm's long by 383mm wide and 430mm high.
The engines cc capacity is 1811cc or 151cc per a cyclinder.
The bore and stroke is 62x50mm

At the moment the head requires about 102 A4 pages of paper, and the engine block with pistons is about 84 pages.
I am guessing that it it would need about 250 pages of paper in A4 or letter size, as I have set the design up for both printed options.

That's roughly 29" x 15" x 17" (Rusty)

[retunga]

You correct with the sizes in mitric and inchs, how does the saying go:
" Go big or go home" ans I am going Big :-)

R

[rewalston]

I like big, with my fingers it makes it easier for big :). I would love to get a board layout for the electronics with a parts list so that I can get that part of the model done.

Rusty

[retunga]

I think hang 5 for now on the PC work, when the model designs are done the artworks will be in the happy pack, I want to test the PC electronics with the model in a more realistic world, I have a funny feeling that I may need to build a ramping circuit possibly into the model as the torque from motor may damage the gearing around the starter motor location of the model, I might change the gearing design around that point to take torque knock of the gearing, I have kept the gap bewteen the teeth meshing on a more open scale, as to give more lee-way when building the gears and getting them to work.

The parts that are needed are standard over the counter parts, the IC's are LM324 and LM723, the transistors are 2N3055, C9012, C9013, BD140, the diodes are 1N4007, 1N5401 and 6.2V zener diode, other than that standard 1/2 and 1/4 watt resesitors and capacitors, the trimpots are small adjustable type.

below is a sample page of the PC boards which one make oneself, I am also in two minds of possibly re-doing the PCB's that it is only PCB with all the parts in area.
Not sure I may also release it in such a way that one can make up there own mind if they want to do one PCB or the two PCB version....

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/temp_pcb_zps3a6006ae.jpg

:-)
R

[rewalston]

Ok in other words, I need to have more patience and wait for everything to be completed:).

Rusty

[retunga]

in a nut shell yes, I am also wanting to get the model finished and / or lot more complete than what it is at the moment, but time does not always work out the way one wants it to.

[retunga]

bit of an update, after test building the piston, conrod and cylinder bore I have fixed the disgn up with regards to the cylinder bore in that I idea of making up the bore was a bit too ticky and messy in terms of building 12 bores, so I have refined the process i bit in that concept is the same but just the spacing is more open and easier to assemble, I have also made the part alot easier to understand which way it must go together.
The piston I have had to change some of the diameters to get it to work out for the bore and be a lot easier to move inside the bore...

Slowly it is coming together.
:-)
R

[Werner Smuts]

Oh how I would love to have this model! What an awesome project!!

[retunga]

The model is coming along well, only problem is time, at the moment I have built 11 cyclinder bores, once I have finished the last one I will get a real feel for the size of the model.

Most likely tonight.

:-)
R

[retunga]

Well Now one will have a better idea on the size of this model / engine, and it is not small, as one can see the bore's are now complete with one piston-conrod combo.

But as we all know time is the biggest problem.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130301-00186_zps1bf61a29.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130301-00182_zpsb245fd58.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130301-00183_zps3633c899.jpg

More photos to follow...

R

[rewalston]

Retunga looks good. I'm up to the challenge. The only problem I'll have is where to put it :D

Rusty

[retunga]

I thought I post this photo of the designed templetes of the V12 engine, I posted this photo in another thread, but it should also be shown here of the 110 set pages for the model.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/templetes_zps0329b1c1.jpg

R

[rewalston]

I like, I like :)

Rusty

[retunga]

Well Update time !!!

At last I have now completed the 12 pistons, conrods and cylinder bores:cool:

The next step is the block parts like the 7 big ends and some other parts to hold it all together, and then the crank.

Here is some photos of the finished parts:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130329-00215_zpscd79dbc5.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130329-00217_zpsfd782be9.jpg

ENJOY
:)
R

[rewalston]

where did the "LIKE" button go :D

[Zakopious]

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa
To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be
happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're
coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!

[retunga]

lol :-) I have already reserved my room, when I am finished this build I plan on retiring in the funny farm:eek:;):):cool:

[rewalston]

I already live on the funny farm so I'm set, bring it on :D

[retunga]

I bit of a sneak photo of where I am with the Engine. (crank)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/crank_real_zps6ebd8120.jpg

At the moment I am busy figuring out and checking that everything is lining up, and also how I am going to assemble all of the parts to get the block together, at the moment I have had to do a bit space corrections in the block as the crank has come out a bit bigger than I designed so some shiming of the block bores is busy been worked out and the some jigs to assemble the crank is also been worked on.

I did a quick calc of how far I am and it works out to 21% which is fair as I am busy building the model I am also writing the instructions and doing small mods as I go along.

R

[mushroom]

Looks fantastic, what a build.:):)

[retunga]

I have found the spacing problem, when one builds many of the same part any small size difference in any or all of the parts will show itself at the end of the day, between the crank shells and the conrods I have a 3-5mm error between the piston bores so, what I am having to do is make a 4mm paper shim that will fix the model, but at the same time when people build the model the error could bigger and smaller so the shimming is not a bad idea in getting the engine to work at the end of the day. it just mean that when I get the cyclinder head that I need to re-visit that part of the design, but that is quite some time down the road.
:-)
R

[retunga]

Well here is a few photos of the testing to get the shimming and spacing problems fixed, lucky yesterday was a public holiday so what better way to fix the problem.

What I found to be the best way to check for spacing problems was to pre-assemble the engine vertical way as below and get the conrods and cutaway opening both parallel and it worked.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130501-00234_zpse886d4a9.jpg

closer view of the engine

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130501-00236_zps6c04ab10.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130501-00238_zpse63af9ec.jpg

So Now can start the gluing of the engine and it can now look like something othere than a 50+ parts in a box.


R

[rewalston]

looking good.

[retunga]

At last the engine block, pistons and crank is all now together!!!!!

Here is a few photos of the building of the block, crank and pistons in place.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130505-00247_zpsf86517b8.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130505-00248_zpsbb66a279.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130505-00249_zps02c1de6f.jpg

More completed view with all the parts.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130506-00251_zps08f1d37d.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130506-00252_zps8cd2105f.jpg


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20130506-00253_zps7c6cb746.jpg

The next part that I want need to build to atleast finish off the assembly of the block is the stands that will hold the whole model.



R

[retunga]

Update time :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Well I can now say that the engine lives.... but not without it's teething problems, I have had to re-visit the gears as my first version did not last for very long in that of making gear teeth time by one and died after the first test.

What I have now done is designed all the gears to made up of 1.2mm stock card and glued together to make up 6mm and from there one would then have a gear that will not die after 1/2 a turn.

I have tested the engine up to 35 rpm and it holds out quite well, any problems of binding or questionable parts will show, and at the end of the test I just had a small amount of paper dust.

I have included a video of the engine block turning at 35 rpm

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0756_zps17a1fa8e.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0755_zps2be0949b.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0744_zpsd1030c85.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0739_zps8f496653.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0732_zpscbbcc982.jpg

This is the video that is below :thumb:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/th_DSCF0758_zps7817c7f4.jpg (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0758_zps7817c7f4.mp4)

Enjoy
:mrgreen::thumb::cool:
R

[rewalston]

Retunga, my friend, you have done masterfully. I love it and can't wait to get my hands on it.

Rusty

[retunga]

Update time...

For the last month or so I have been cutting gears and gears and gears as below

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/gear_build_1_zps80c512c5.jpg
This has been the only way that I have found to work the centers of the gears to size that I need before doing the mass cutting exerise.


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/gear_build_2_zps3ff1579d.jpg
180 of so parts that will make up the gears at the end of the day.

So this weekend I shall start the assembly of the gears and from there I will then start the construction of the timing plates and LED controls for the spark plugs that will be needed later.
:)
R

[casca]

Incredible work.

[retunga]

Well a bit of an update on the engine build,
bad news the engine gear work that I have for the last 2 months or so has been a bit of a problem, the ratio that one needs to get the crank to the cam is 2:1 step down in speed for a 4 stroke engine which fine buyt the way that I have gone about doing the 2:1 with gears has not worked out, it works out to 1.1109:1 stepdown

after looking at what I did in calculations and and the gear setup, I have picked up my mistake, in calcalations I used compond gear ratio instead of gear train and the way that I set the gears up was in gear train not gear train and compond combo.

So the photo below is the worng way of doing it .

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/gear_error_1_zps97d31bf2.jpg

This is the correct way of doing it

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/gear_error_2_zpsdc7a048d.jpg

After going through my engineering books and double checking with a engineer friends did I find out how bad the mistake was.

When doing gearing there is a few different types of gearing methods:
1: Gear train
2: Compond Gearing
3: Epicycle Gear Train (Planetary)

Where I went wrong is by fixing it up in the following way.

G1=9t
G2=12t
G3=10t
G4=15t
G5=10t
G6=10t
G7=10t

Compond gear ratio is work out in the following method:

R = G2/G1 * G4/G3 and the reat been 1:1 so you leave that out of the formula.

R = 1.33333_ * 1.5
R = 2 which is what I wanted.

oops WRONG !!!

the real ratio is as follows with gear train:

R = G2/G1 * G3/G2 * G4/G3 * G5/G4 * G6/G5 * G7/G6

R = 1.3333_ * 0.8333_ * 1.5 * 0.666_ * 1 * 1
R = 1.1109 WRONG RATIO !!!!!

So what I have had to do is the following:
combine gear train and compond gearing to get this to work.

G1=10t
G2=10t
G3=10t
G4=10t
G5=9t
G6=18t
G7=10t
G8=10t
G9=10t
G10=10t

So now the formula will look like this:

R = (G2/G1 * G3/G2 * G4/G3) * (G6/G5) * (G8/G7 * G9/G8 * G10/G9)
R = 1 * 2 * 1
R = 2 CORRECT !!!!

Now the correct ratio is now obtained 2:1 step down.

All that is means is that I have to scrap 6 gears and make 7 gears to fix the error, thankfully I was testing the gears that they where meshing correctly of which I have had to dress the gears round to get them to work smoothly and in so doing that is where I picked the error up....

So at the end of the day I have learnt something make sure you use the correct formula's and method when calulating.


:cool:

[retunga]

Well at last after months of work and 1 re-design later and the timing section of the model is now complete.

Here is a few build photos from this section of work.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0783_zps85734322.jpg

At the Start of the timing plate

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0818_zps498274f6.jpg

Completed internals

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0842_zpsba890531.jpg

Completed timing plate

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0844_zpsd5dabd43.jpg

Timing ring

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0888_zpsb80fabec.jpg

Timing Assembly work

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0948_zpsbe3f8652.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0949_zpsebfc6096.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0952_zps0bb864ab.jpg

Timing ring in place

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0955_zps598143bb.jpg

Completed Assembly work

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0956_zps7c03eae7.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF0959_zps46bd8e72.jpg

Now the Cylinder head work can now be done next ....

[adder]

Astounding amount of work or an outstanding model!

[retunga]

Thanks Adder, I would say both would be the best answer, and yet there is still more to come....

[enigma]

amazing that you can get this level of detail to work in paper.

you are a outstanding master of papercrafts.

[rewalston]

I'm a glutton for punishment, I'm looking forward to the model.

Rusty

[Pixelpusher]

I would very much like to see this triumph unfold. If you could pardon my pun.

Kudos to your efforts.

[Wad Cutter]

This is a purely fantastic model. Way up and totally beyond my capability to build but as a beginner modeler I can appreciate your work even if I could never build it. I will look forward to your build and would enjoy seeing the project to its finish. Thank you for sharing. This is a model that is all by it’s self in a field of its own. Excuse me as I pick my jaw up off the floor. This is beautiful. Thank you. wc

[retunga]

Thanks Wad Cutter !!! It means quite a lot what you have said, one thing that I learnt with doing paper modeling a especially at this level, is that when I decided to do the engine design it was so big in that of the task that I have set myself, but what I did was to start breaking things up into lots of smaller tasks and work from there, the piston and block design has been through 3 redesigns and the gearing has been through 2 redesigns to make it easier, at the moment the cylinder head has already in it's 1st redesign as things have not quite worked out in the space that I have given myself, and also some ideas that looked great in the 3D model does not always work out and look correct.

I will also say this Wad Cutter, do not doubt yourself if you should ever decide to build the engine model, when one looks at the model and see's what is inside and how it is put together, taking your time and going one step at a time and you will have the model completed.

:-)
R

[retunga]

Update time...

After 2 months of building and redesigning and building and modifying and correcting, at 10pm last night I have finally got the valve and cam shaft to
work and the design to also be repeatable for building.
There has been problems mostly around angles and tolerences of parts, and also giving enough for bends and rolls in paper...

The photos that I have uploaded is that of my test build model piece that has been cut and hacked and patched and so on, but the concept and functioning of the
part is what is important here.

enjoy.

R

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20131025-00148_zps4f404b3b.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20131025-00147_zps640797a0.jpg
Valve in the closed position.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20131025-00146_zps3eaa9af9.jpg
Valve in the open position

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20131025-00145_zps286a6671.jpg

[retunga]

Update Time

I have at last completed the first cylinder head that will be used in the model, just 11 to go....

Here is a few photos of the first cylinder head.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20131120-00217_zpsd4eab38a.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20131120-
00214_zpsee28ddb1.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20131120-00213_zps0fdc3c57.jpg

Valve's closed

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20131120-00215_zpscdf3dac1.jpg

Valve's all Open

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/IMG-20131120-00216_zps6ecdc59e.jpg

This I guess can be considered the worlds first working cylinder head....:eek:

R

[Mark Petersen]

I really hate to be a fly in the ointment but..............a v12 can be thought of as 2 inline 6's. And they use common crank shaft layouts. The crank pin for #1 and #6 (2 and 12) have their centerlines in line. The same for 2 and 5. Also for 3 and 4. They have to be that way for the firingorder to work out

[retunga]

You are right, but as I learnt with the building to engine there is ways that one can get the firing orders to be in different spots, and I made the mismake with build of the crank that one has to do there some more homework when setting up a crank, so at the moment firing order is something like 1-12-3-10-2-11-9-8-6-7-4.

I was trying to get the order to be 1-12-5-8-3-10-6-7-2-11-4-9 but I assembled the lobbs in the wrong order and ended up more like making to V6's to be put together, but I will look at doing an update to the crank order at a later stage.

My design idea was the Enzo engine (F 140B spec) of which the 456, 550 & 575 road cars (with the engine F133 spec) uses the same firing order that of 1-12-5-8-3-10-6-7-2-11-4-9.

I did also think of using the 599's firing order (F 140C spec) of 1-7-5-11-3-9-6-12-2-8-4-10 but I decided not to.
Another option was the Lamborghini V12's namely the Diablo and Murcielago which it's order 1-7-4-10-2-8-6-12-3-9-5-11.

At the end of the day it is down to the order in which the lobbs are put together and the 60 degree's that they have between them.

The progress at the moment is building the remaining 11 cylinder heads and that is only at best maybe 35% complete as there is so many parts that need to be made.

:-)
R

[mbauer]

Wow! Great thread! Very masterfull design and build so far!

Thank you for posting everything.

Mike

[retunga]

Well it is time for a photo update, the photo update was late November '13 :eek:, in that time I have been building the better part of +/- 2700 parts into small assemblies :rolleyes:, now here is a photo of that effort that has gone into it in the last 7 to 8 months, now I can start building the cylinder heads and do the timing of the engine at last after 2 years of thinking how I am going to get it right.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140705_142135_zps330c51bc.jpg

When I am finished assembling the 11 heads I will post again some photos.
:):cool:
R

[rewalston]

looking good

[nighthawk78]

Wow, that's looking good, keep it coming :)
NH78

[HMCS]

Holy cannoli!!! Great work!!!

[retunga]

update time....
After 10 days I have now finally completed the building of all the cylinder heads :eek::cool:

In the photos below is the 12 cylinders head complete and also the heads in there correct spot on the engine, now the real fun is going to start in that of getting the timing correct and figures crossed working, if it does not work then it will remain a static model of the engine, but lets see how it goes.....

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140715_205051_zpsf415814a.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140715_210110_zps2dda722d.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140715_211016_zps6afe1ce7.jpg

What I will do is post more pictures after the timing work is done :rolleyes::cool:

[rewalston]

WOW I hope it works out...something of this caliber needs to work :D

[retunga]

The point of no return. The first 2 cylinder head's are now in place.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140719_061807_zpswn7usug9.jpg

10 more to go....

[retunga]

A little bit of sad news, I have glued 10 of the 12 heads in place and what I have found is that the engines crank is not going to be able to take the torque required to have the engine turn over. I am still going to do the engine timing so that it is correct.*

Even if I made the the crank bearing shafts thicker the crank shells would have failed next.*

[retunga]

I have now got all 12 heads in place, I have had a good look to see why the engine does not want to turn over and the problem is the gearing in that with me having to make the gaps and holes of the gears more on the open side of the tolerence scale which is fine for a free moving model, but when a load is added those open tolerences do impact the movment of the model and the gears then start to jam and that is the main reason for the model not working and also I have tried a few different valve springs and I also had springs made and it also is problem at the end of the day.
Really is sad, but when I do the next engine design with the desmo valve setup of the V-twin engine it should turn over....

[whulsey]

Ouch, broken cranks are no fun...at least it wasn't at speed. This may be almost impossible to overcome without a sealed, coated (Teflon) paper or some type of lubrication. The desmodromic setup should help some. Is this going to be a Ducati type engine?

[retunga]

The idea would be to base it on the Ducati engine and possible even include the gearbox, but I still need to do a lot homework with regards to the Ducati engine, I might not do the gearbox only the engine and head...

[Stallone]

Dear mate, I'm a freshman on the site and, soon on my first search about detailed engines I could see here in this forum, that since 2012, that you have willing set out to build a complete Ferrari engine with moving parts.
I was curious and of immediate I imagined that after already spent two years since your first post, I would go find today the good news, of that, probably, the engine would be already ready.
Unfortunately I noticed that you are finding some difficulties, but this is normal when someone proposes to do something great and unprecedented.
I would tell you for not to give up and also that you can count on me if I can help it, somehow.
Do not be discouraged, go ahead because victory is certain. You've reached more than 70% of your journey and you certainly will find the necessary solutions.
I suggest you don't stop yourself because of the issue involving the material, if you can't use paper, in 100% of the engine parts. Everyone is watching her struggle and know of the difficulties that you are finding, in reason of the fragility of the paper, for use in certain parts.
I'm sure you'll get, as it, front of a challenging proposition like this, you already can and should be considered by all of us, an out-of-series.
Congratulations !!

Silvestre

[Stallone]

Dear mate, I'm a freshman on the site and, soon on my first search about detailed engines I could see here in this forum, that since 2012, that you have willing set out to build a complete Ferrari engine with moving parts.
I was curious and of immediate I imagined that after already spent two years since your first post, I would go find today the good news, of that, probably, the engine would be already ready.
Unfortunately I noticed that you are finding some difficulties, but this is normal when someone proposes to do something great and unprecedented.
I would tell you for not to give up and also that you can count on me if I can help it, somehow.
Do not be discouraged, go ahead because victory is certain. You've reached more than 70% of your journey and you certainly will find the necessary solutions.
I suggest you don't stop yourself because of the issue involving the material, if you can't use paper, in 100% of the engine parts. Everyone is watching her struggle and know of the difficulties that you are finding, in reason of the fragility of the paper, for use in certain parts.
I'm sure you'll get, as it, front of a challenging proposition like this, you already can and should be considered by all of us, an out-of-series.
Congratulations !!

Silvestre

[retunga]

Hi Silvetre

Thanks for the cool words,:) I am in fact still continuing the build of the model, at the moment I am wiring the model up as it should be done for the LED spark plugs, even though they will never work but with me doing a timing cover in such away that one will see the gears and switches for the cams and LEDs it would be in the best interest to finish that part off 100%, I am not going to do the wiring to the controlling box as it is a waste of time, but the rest of the wiring and the model will still be completed.

For the amount of time that I have spent it isnot me to left it fall into the archives of unfinished models and projects.

Even though the first post of the engine has been in May 2012, The amount of R&D work and design and also legal things that go with this build and so on has in fact started back in September 2010 !! The greater amount of the work was done in 2011 and 2012, I am still designing and adding to the orginal model as I go on with the build.

What I am going to do is post photos of the model after I have finished the wiring as major update of the project that this point in time.

The work that is left to be completed is the exhausts, inlet system, air box and fuel system, that will amount to at least 20% to complete.

:cool:
Retunga

[retunga]

Well after all of the work that has gone into the cylinder heads and assembly to the engine, not forgetting the wiring up of the engine for the LED spark plugs, it is now time for a project update photos as the model stands right now. :cool:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140813_065318_zpsb587bdaf.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140813_065325_zps587e7a10.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140813_065341_zpsfe8578a8.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140813_065430_zps9c0f9668.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140813_065403_zps1fcd84db.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20140813_065354_zps416f3973.jpg

now the next part of the build is going to be the timing cover for the engine with it's cutouts to show the gearing.

:):cool:
Retunga

[retunga]

Update time, the model is now 90% COMPLETE !!!

I have now added the timeing cover, the exhausts, inlet ports, and the fuel injection rail.
This would now complete the Block and Head assemblies. I have just the Bell housing and Airbox to complete and the model will complete.

Here is a few photos.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20141001_214026_zps13362bc6.jpg


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/20141001_214050_zpsa7eb62d3.jpg

Enjoy :rolleyes::cool:

R

[sharunas]

Great job!

Will we be able to see a short movie how it works?

[retunga]

For this version of the model it is not going to be able to run, there has been a few things that are a bit under designed with regard to the torque needed to get it to work smoothly, but I have done the designs for the parts that need to be made stronger, so if or when I re-build the model it will work as it was designed to.

[rewalston]

still looks good my friend, I for one have it on my to build list, but for me I would love to have it running. If all the parts to run have been designed, you could offer that as a separate download or something. I can understand not wanting to rebuild it, but if someone is starting to build it from the beginning, might as well do it with the working parts. Just my 2 cents.

Rusty

[retunga]

Hey Rusty

What I have done is to work on a upgrade parts design that will help the model run without destroying itself, it will not be built into this version but the next build of the model it will be done.
The upgrade parts are mainly on the crank, the block around the big ends, the timing and gearing parts of the engine, the cylinder head and the flywheel part of the engine, many of the parts are replacements but it will make it massively stronger so that the engine can turn.

:-)

[Wad Cutter]

In a word retunga (http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/members/retunga.html), unreal. Outstanding as well. You are a true craftsmen and a true artist. wc

[rewalston]

I definitely want to build the working verison. I'm going to be moving in 2 days so can't download anything more. Once I get a computer back online I'll be here.

[retunga]

Update Time, 95% Complete :cool:

The bell housing is now complete and installed on the engine, just the inlet airbox to go...

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF1860_zps8197fdb6.jpg
Bell housing inside view.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF1859_zpsf2d7423b.jpg
Bell Housing

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF1865_zpsf585db1a.jpg
Bell houysing fitted to the engine.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF1868_zpsea8077bf.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF1867_zps47b1fe3f.jpg
The final length of the model is 800mm :eek:
The height and width will only be finalized when the airbox is in place.

:cool:
R

[elliott]

Wow! This thing is HUGE.

[retunga]

I have not told the wife that the completed model is going to be put in the lounge for all to see and enjoy....

[retunga]

Well after 1 year, 11 months and 18 days what started out as an idea has now finally been realized.

From the orginal sizes that I designed to it has only grown in length by 67mm.
The final size of the model is 800mm long, 430mm high and 410mm wide, and weighs 3KG.

there is 5467 parts to the engine, the model turn over but this build the model is not going to turn over.

I am having issues getting all the photos online, I will post as it is uploaded, here is the first few.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2141_zpsa2b1c4be.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2139_zps5bfaf8c9.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2138_zpsb2e74609.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2137_zps014fac72.jpg

More to follow

R

[elliott]

This has been a massive project indeed. Congratulations on finishing it! Looking forward to more pics to follow.

[retunga]

Next batch of photos are now online (yiippee)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2136_zps44c70085.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2135_zps17032ddf.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2134_zps7ad24409.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2131_zps4b940047.jpg

almost there...

[elliott]

Does your wife know you're gonna display it in the lounge yet? ;)

[retunga]

yes.... I have been given that quiet look, and a answer of "ok...."

[sharunas]

Congratulations! An impressive work!

Now the rest of the car is needed to be build :)

[retunga]

Finally the last photo is now on and I have also added 3 short videos clips to get the feel and size of the model. (not great quality, as it was filmed at 10pm last night.) The table that the model is sitting on is a 1 by 1 meter table.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2130_zpsc628eda7.jpg

Video's:

http://vid268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2144_zpsbtw632e2.mp4

http://vid268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2142_zpsytsnrc8o.mp4

http://vid268.photobucket.com/albums/jj13/quintin_cloud/DSCF2145_zpsbnzgqop2.mp4


Enjoy.

R:cool:

[tomorrow]

赞一个！非常棒！ \(^o^)/~

[elliott]

Please use a translator when you post in a language other than English as this is an English language forum. Thank you.

[retunga]

Hi All

After quite a long process of should I ? or should I not?

I have finally made my mind up with regards to releasing the model to the world.....


It has been a interesting thing of selling the plans on EBAY and so on, and in what format that of plans only that would be downloaded, then going down the road of setting that up.

Other options of selling parts of the model and downloading again...

Looking at the what it is going to cost to set this all up, and managing it all for maybe 2 to 10 people downloading it, and that it is not worth it....


SO.... this is what is going to happen....


I have uploaded the model to a dropbox account of mine, there is two versions to download:
1:- The complete package all in a .zip file which is setup in a directory called complete, the file is about 73MB's.
2:- All of the files that are in the .zip are there to be downloaded in single form, so you can download what you need and want in this case.

To get the web address link to the model artworks and instructions you need to EMAIL me at the following address ONLY !!!
I will not answer private message requests in my mail as that is for messaging for day to day chats on the forum...


The email address: [email protected] ([email protected])


I require the following info from you:
1: Your email address to send the link.
2: Your Real name and country.
3: Papermodel Group name that you are logged into and your user name.


The reason for this is so that I can see who and where the model is been built.
Please remember each email link is unique to you.


I will do my best to reply to you as soon as one can, so give it a day or 3 but I will get back to you.


Retunga

[rewalston]

email has been sent

[retunga]

Check your email inbox :-)

[rewalston]

Thank you looking forward to it.

[rewalston]

Sent you another email :D

[tatasam]

Hi , How many sheets to print and is a model version of the B / W ?

Micro version, nicely has presented in my display case :rolleyes:

Greetings , Henryk :)

[retunga]

Hi Tatasam

I hope this will answer your questions:

Total number of single pages 160gram (or like) A4 or Ltr = 390 pages
Total number of 1mm Card : min of 12 Pages (Max 85 if you are going to make turn)
Glue = LOTS

The templetes are all in B/W for the reason that should you want to make some parts in colour you just print the templete on to the colour paper and it is done, you save a lot on link.
There is a maybe 2 page that have colour that is needed to be printed.

Retunga

[tatasam]

Thank you very much , everything is clear , I sent email :)

[retunga]

As soon as I get the email I will reply. :-)

[tatasam]

Download complete , thank you , Henryk :) :cool:

[retunga]

Enjoy the build :-)

[rewalston]

where is a good place to get the PCB's made?

[retunga]

Hey Rusty

I would say look into getting the PCB's made, but I would say do that part of the build right near the end.

When you completed all of the moving parts and assemblied it to the engine and you can turn the engine over without any problems of parts wanting to break and sheer I would then say go ahead and have PCB's made.
If you are going to have the model work you should really use all of the upgrade parts to handle the stress of the model working without it ripping itself apart.

Coming from a electronics background you can in fact make your own PCB's and there is articals on how to do it.

Do a google search on "how to etch your own PCB" or "making your own PCB".

Knowing where you are from, here is 3 companies that should be able to help you with making the PCB's:
1: Omni Printed Circuits.
2: Milplex Circuit
3: Labo Circuits.

:-)
R

[tatasam]

Hi , PCBs into the engine can be made universal plates ;)
Patience, I will present a simple solution to the topic :rolleyes::)

https://www.google.pl/search?hl=pl&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=681&q=p%C5%82ytki+uniwersalne+pcb&oq=p%C5%82ytki+uni&gs_l=img.1.1.0l2j0i5i30j0i8i30l2j0i24l3.2779.11983 .0.14943.10.9.0.1.1.0.239.1330.1j6j2.9.0.msedr...0 ...1ac.1.64.img..0.10.1336.Lmawch16mL4

Henryk

[rewalston]

Thank you for the response Retunga and tatasam. I have done some electronics in the past. I used to build and repair computer. Not like they do now I used to remove and repair not remove and replace. I'll have to look into making my own PCBs, when the time comes. Either way, this model is on the back burner for right now. I'm going to get my feet wet with the other one, and other models I'm working on. Well, and also finding someplace to put it :D...that's the biggest one finding a place. Thank you again for a fantastic work of art.

Rusty

[lordxomega28]

still working the link ? awesome work !, i send the mail, hope that i can get the templates

[MacSongLi]

Amazing build. You are a true artist.


Gary

[retunga]

Hi Lordxomega28 the links are still up, just drop me an email and I will reply back.

Thanks MacSongLi for you message :-)

[Stagecoach]

all you need for a circuit board is the kit consisting of self adhesive solder pads and self adhesive tracks, mini terminal blocks and a lot of wire. make it 22 gauge wire. the board is perforated with a hole every 1/8th inch apart. everything you need can be acquired at this location. Electronics | “You-Do-It� Electronics Center (http://www.youdoitelectronics.com/)

[acemod]

Amazing build. You are a true artist.


Gary
Do you have V12 Ferrari 430 files now?

[rickstef]

Do you have V12 Ferrari 430 files now?

acemod,

It would be best, and good paper model etiquette to ask the designer about the file you would like, and not ask another member, who may or may not have the file.

so send a private message to retunga, and ask him for the file, and please do not email random members, or ask members in the forum.

Rick

[whulsey]

Guess he pm'd me before he saw your post.

[rickstef]

Guess he pm'd me before he saw your post.

Yeah, I guess he emailed others as well

I couldn't respond at the time he posted his question, sorry about that

[acemod]

acemod,

It would be best, and good paper model etiquette to ask the designer about the file you would like, and not ask another member, who may or may not have the file.

so send a private message to retunga, and ask him for the file, and please do not email random members, or ask members in the forum.

Rick

Sorry for that. Retunga is not responding and I tried to find out from others. Sorry

[rickstef]

He will respond

He does live in Africa, so his access might be limited

[acemod]

He will respond

He does live in Africa, so his access might be limited

Well thank you.

[retunga]

Hi Acemod

You should be good to go, enjoying the build and please do post photos of the build :-)

R

[simplesigma]

Hi Retunga,

nice design. amazing work.. is it possible for me to try to build the engine?
thanks before..

[retunga]

Check your inbox.

[simplesigma]

thank you very much

[Kevin WS]

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[retunga]

I see that.... I will have to look into it...

[Ludo31]

Bonjour retunga
Ton travail est incroyable merci pour le partage je n'avais jamais vue un moteur aussi complet
Serait-il possible d'avoir les fichier pour avoir la chance de pouvoir également le construire ? :)
Merci d'avance

Translation provided by Google Translate and rickstef
Hello retunga
Your work is amazing thank you for sharing I had never seen such a complete engine
Would it be possible to have the files to have the chance to also be able to build it?
thanks in advance