Dave's New Big Adventure...this is no PeeWee

[airdave]

Its bigger than a Breadbox
but smaller than Moby Dick.

Its got round bits and straight bits.
Its got big bits and little bits.
Its got some really awkward shaped bits.

Heres the first bit:

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit001_640x469.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit001b_640x468.jpg


More bits to come as the project unfolds...or should I say enfolds.
Not in any particular order at the moment...I have only just begun testing
out some parts and designs.

Yes, you may guess at what it is...
but thats not the purpose of this thread.
I just wanted to string you along with my newest adventure...
or it might be a nightmare, we'll have to wait and see! lol

Oh, if you already have inside information as to what my project is
please keep it to yourself and don't ruin the surprise for everyone else.
Thanks

[mbauer]

Looks like the barrel of a tank....

Waiting to see how it all turns out!

Mike

[umtutsut]

Its bigger than a Breadbox
but smaller than Moby Dick.

Its got round bits and straight bits.
Its got big bits and little bits.
Its got some really awkward shaped bits.



You're making a model of my ex-wife?????:rolleyes:

Les (The Voice of Authority -- coming soon)

[legion]

http://www.tapapercraft.com/wp-content/galleries/concepts/peewee-textured.png

This IS a PeeWee.

[airdave]

No.....THIS is Peewee

http://blogs.citypages.com/dressingroom/PeeWeeBike.jpg

[airdave]

another bit:

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit003_640x470.jpg

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear AirDave:
You going to join the Artillery? looks like it could be a BIG gun?
Will watch with interest,
MILES

[airdave]

Schwinn? Do they have Guns?

[ghshinn]

Schwinn? Do they have Guns?

No, but they ought to.;)

Garland

[sqwarsh]

I know!!!:)

[airdave]

hey look, another one of my fans!

[airdave]

hey...this bit is getting interesting!...

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit003b.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit003c.jpg

[jagolden01]

OK, it looks like some sort of differential or flywheel.

[John Bowden]

I don't know why, but it looks like helicopter parts to me...................

[cardist]

White halftrack?

[airdave]

haha John might be on to something now...

[John Bowden]

well........... I think I've seen them before, but I just can't remember where................ too much stuff, too little grey matter:confused:

Maybe turbine parts?

[jimkrauzlis]

I have no idea what this might be but I love the way it looks!:)

Cheers!
Jim

[mbauer]

Gluing that second cone to the first must have been fun! How'd you apply pressure to the inside? With wood dowels?

Mike

[airdave]

No Mike...thats actually a real easy part to assemble.
I designed the necessary joiner strips to make it easy
and unless you assemble it assbackwards its not hard at all.
I started from the center outwards on both sides and then
joined the two halves together at the middle.

...

you guys give up all ready?
was it all that talk about helicopters and Floor Lamps?
lol

heres another bit...this part must support the "gun barrel"(?) lol
or maybe this is the tail Rotor?

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit002_640x442.jpg

[rickstef]

go cart?

Rick

[John Bowden]

Ec-145?...........

[airdave]

sorry John...I had to look up what an EC-145 is! lol

[MrMidwayMan]

Is it a ship of sorts? Possibly? :D

[Art Deco]

Too easy. :)

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear AirDave:
Howabout an Airship: :confused:
Or could it be the Hippo Bus?
Or Can-Am bus in a large scale?
I should weight to the next picture, But its fun to guess
THanks,
MILES

[avro202]

But dont forget the clue "John might be onto something" when he guessed helicopter parts.

Unless that was just to throw us off....hmmmm...

[airdave]

I did use the word "might" so as not to mislead.
I never used the word "clue".

Throw you off? would I do that?

Hippo Bus?...hmmm I could say yes
...but then I would have to use the word "might" again.
But to be honest, a Hippo Helicopter Bus would be a lot closer.

...

as I said, bit 3 supports the "gun barrel" (bit 1)!
(everyone should get it now! its so obvious)

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit002b.jpg

[John Bowden]

damn......... I must be dumb

[avro202]

Hippo helicopter bus....

Some kinda airship?

[John Bowden]

Hip.........helicopter

hmmmmm the Russians sure use the Hip as a bus.......... tote all kinds of stuff and people around in them.........

But that can't be it. Can it?

[airdave]

Hip...Hippos...Buses ...Helicopters...how did we get here from PeeWee Herman and his Schwinn?
LMAO

[John Bowden]

Well.......... you started the merry-go-round.......... we just keep trying to hop on

[airdave]

Speaking of PeeWee, this is so good:

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[jimkrauzlis]

Nope, not even a shadow of a clue what this is! :)
...but I like the way it turning out!

Cheers!
Jim

[ghshinn]

This is a beautiful start to an unknown something. I still think it should have guns.

Garland

[richkat]

Hey you kids...don't press your lips on that.........Rich

[airdave]

Remember the Schwinn idea?....

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit004.jpg

or, is this the drive for the Tail Rotor?
or maybe the "Bus" has a wheelchair lift and this is part of that?

[josh]

I'm really lost now.....

[John Bowden]

OK.......... I'm out too. I will never guess at anything again.......... I don't think I have ever been as wrong about something as now.:confused:

[murphyaa]

I'm gonna chime in with some form of chain driven wheeled vehicle. Possibly of the tricycle persuasion.

[jimkrauzlis]

Harry Hippo of the Toronto Hippo Tour bus company....

Cheers!
Jim

[Scott K]

Mack AC?

Scott K.

[John Bowden]

I ain't guessing, but I think Jim just won the cigar.

[airdave]

Harry!
I think that was my first Hippo Bus (I painted).
Boy, that was a long time ago.
Thanks for reminding me.

...

Schwinn helicopter anyone? lol

[jimkrauzlis]

Harry!
I think that was my first Hippo Bus (I painted).
Boy, that was a long time ago.
Thanks for reminding me.

...

Schwinn helicopter anyone? lol

And, it floats! Just like....Dave's other boat!! LOL!!!

[airdave]

Bit 2 gets a few more parts...I'm still tweaking

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit003d.jpg

[jimkrauzlis]

I ain't guessing, but I think Jim just won the cigar.
I don't know if I'm right, but Miles said it first!:)

Cheers!
Jim

[airdave]

right about what?
Miles said what first?

[doctormax]

Miles said Hippo, and I was thinking of a forklift truck when he said it but now i see a hippo bus is a bus that is like a dukw.

[airdave]

The Hippo Bus doesn't have a Tail Rotor.
And neither does my project.
Not a forklift either.

[jimkrauzlis]

Exactly!:)

Glad we cleared that up!LOL!!!

Cheers!
Jim

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear AirDave:
Pre WW2 heavy duty truck?
This is fun,
MILES

[ringmaster]

Not a T 282 B from Liebherr.

[sgoti]

Remember the Schwinn idea?....

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bit004.jpg

or, is this the drive for the Tail Rotor?
or maybe the "Bus" has a wheelchair lift and this is part of that?

Oh don't you know...

that's the sound of the men

working on the chain... gaaaa-ang...

[doctormax]

ok I think this is more a hint to me to put my hands in my pocket and buy some ice cream from the neice, my neice Ishiwawa says its an ice cream van or roly polys truckcopter.


It seems that roly poly is pretty fat wears a hat and reads books and wears glasses like me he also has some teddy bear who he brings to lots of places in the world to read stories to people who can't read in his truckcopter and gives people books to learn their ABC's.

[D-H]

Scammel Explorer?

Insanely old-fashioned go anywhere truck?

D

[Vermin_King]

I thought from another post at CutandFold that I knew what it was, but I am wrong.

And, no, Dave, I really didn't think the first piece was part of a hookah pipe. I was joking.

[airdave]

doctormax wins!!!

its not a "roly poly truckcopter", but who cares, the description is better than anything we have said so far! (figures that a child has better ideas than we do! lol)

[wag]

Does this roly-poly truckcopter have dual rear wheels driven by those chains?
Wayne

[richkat]

Some kind of half-track.....Rich

[airdave]

hehe I will only answer specific guesses of what the model is.
in other words, no 20 questions

just to keep you happy, heres Bits 1, 2 and 3 ...sort of together:

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/Bits01020304.jpg

[jimkrauzlis]

Still don't know what it is, but I like the way it's coming together!:)

Cheers!
Jim

[Yale]

The arrangement of parts in this latest picture makes me think of an old-fashioned threshing machine. Or is my terminology off and this is the steam-tractor traction engine that powers the threshing machine?

[doctormax]

doctormax wins!!!

its not a "roly poly truckcopter", but who cares, the description is better than anything we have said so far! (figures that a child has better ideas than we do! lol)
I think the best thing about the roly poly truckcopter is that it is a cardboard box on the floor in the sitting room Dave thats what it is for her no fancy stuff just a cardboard box that has a teddy bear in it and some book that she goes and sits into and reads to her little brother or pretends at times to read and looks for help.

[airdave]

a few more bits added to the super duper roly poly truckcopter last night.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7187411_639x480.jpg

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7187413_640x480.jpg

[legion]

Is it a Willy Jeep?

[airdave]

chain drive Willys GP? did they do that?

[calinous]

I have no idea what that thing is, but it's looking good, and I want to know more.

[murphyaa]

Frame's too short to be a truck of any type. Or a car. Unless there's a second part to the frame. Or you're only modelling the back half of a Model T.

[Vermin_King]

Certainly is an intriguing build.

[avro202]

I give up until there is some skin on those bones.

[HMCS]

would be cool if it was a ATV of some sort!

[Texman]

Sportsman 500 6x6

[Sidewinder81777]

Have no idea what it is, but I like it!

[peter taft]

Come on guys.... tis eeeeeeeeeeeeasy !!! It's inside of Dave's Boat :):)

[Vermin_King]

Is it Canadian?

[murphyaa]

It's a Canadian Bacon slicer

[josh]

You should know better than that, Canadian bacon slicers have the transmission on the other side.....

[mbauer]

You sure thats a transmission, looks like an electric motor from this angle...(brushless)

Like others have said, don't know for sure what it is, but I like it!

Mike

[josh]

I have no clue......just throwing something out there.

[calinous]

Maybe it's an apple quartering device - only the blades to cut the apples in four are missing, and a frame, and a motor/engine for the transmission, and a device to keep the apples in place, and ...

[josh]

Does it need electricity to operate...maybe 1.21gigawatts?

[airdave]

no, but the battery in my Camera needs charging...does that count?

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear AirDave:
Is It A Carden Loyd Tankette?
THanks for the thread,
MILES

[airdave]

lol ...a what?!

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear Airdave:
Little Tank bought by the Canadian Armed Forces in the 1930's sort of the next Armor after the Can Am. Look at it dave its cute be great in the big scale to go with the Can AM.
LOL,
MILES

[josh]

Did you just refer to a tank as "cute"?

[murphyaa]

I do believe he did.

[airdave]

oh boy...its really starting to come together now!...

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7197419_633x480.jpg

and heres a big clue for you:
heres another view... from the front

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7197417_629x480.jpg

still got a lot of tweaking to do, and a lot more parts to figure out,
but I think its working for me.
More to come.

you guys are gonna be so pissed when I tell you
its the Ice Cream Van from down the street! lol
(I was going to say Ice Lolly Van, but we have too many 'Mericans watching! lol)

[josh]

Renault ft 17?

[calinous]

I'd say the engine framework for a side paddle boat, but the apparent modernity of the engine (doesn't really look like a steam plant) puts a big stake in the heart of my assumption

[murphyaa]

I'm still voting for the canadian bacon slicer...diesel powered.

[mbauer]

What nobody is paying attention to the normal text at the bottom of his last post?

Just got done making some homemade raspberry sherbet on my new donvier, nice timing Dave!

Mike

[josh]

But it has a gun barrel, unless it's an ice cream truck from Detroit....or did I totally miss something else?

[sgoti]

Any gun barrel I've seen usually has a bore of some sort...

The ands of this part are now closed off, suggesting it's more of a shaft.

[doctormax]

oh boy...its really starting to come together now!...

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7197419_633x480.jpg

and heres a big clue for you:
heres another view... from the front

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7197417_629x480.jpg

still got a lot of tweaking to do, and a lot more parts to figure out,
but I think its working for me.
More to come.

you guys are gonna be so pissed when I tell you
its the Ice Cream Van from down the street! lol
(I was going to say Ice Lolly Van, but we have too many 'Mericans watching! lol)
I am going to take a very close look now at the ice cream van i am going to have to buy from for the neices prize for the roly poly truckcopter

[jagolden01]

What ever it is, Dave, the build looks great. Fine and clean.

[Swampfox]

I think I've finally got it...


A Suburu of some sort!! I can see the similarities. I can't wait.........YESSSS

SFX

[KCStephens]

Could it be the beginnings of the Wright Flyer?
Or am I Wrong :(

[avro202]

heres a big clue for you:
heres another view... from the front

To misquote Chief Brody: We're gonna need a bigger clue.

[airdave]

Kevin...no
Avro...no soup for you
Swamp...does Subaru make Ice Cream Vans?

[jimkrauzlis]

This is so funny!!

Really nice work, Dave...just wish I knew what I was looking at....:)

Cheers!
Jim

[HMCS]

it is not a renault FT-17,..

[Vermin_King]

Did Renault have a plant in Canada?

[airdave]

Did Renault have a plant in Canada?

Yes...in Quebec province...late 60s

[cMags]

Anyone else find it strange, that if this is supposed to be a 4 wheeled vehicle, that there is only one axle, and its in the middle of the vehicle?

[jimkrauzlis]

Anyone else find it strange, that if this is supposed to be a 4 wheeled vehicle, that there is only one axle, and its in the middle of the vehicle?

Yeah, but it looks so great I didn't want to say anything...:)

Cheers!
Jim

[Swampfox]

My wife, from NFL, Atlantic Canada says it looks like a Bombardier ATV, built in Canada.

I'd never seen or heard of it till she mentioned it!

SFX

[Cami]

My wife, from NFL, Atlantic Canada says it looks like a Bombardier ATV, built in Canada.

I'd never seen or heard of it till she mentioned it!

SFX

Your wife must be speaking of that kind of ATV, one of the first Bombardier made. Engine in the rear and axle in the middle... maybe. Anyway, that is the closer I can get so far.;)

Cami

[Swampfox]

Your wife must be speaking of that kind of ATV, one of the first Bombardier made. Engine in the rear and axle in the middle... maybe. Anyway, that is the closer I can get so far.;)

Cami

This is kind of what she's talking about.

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SFX

[airdave]

Anyone else find it strange, that if this is supposed to be a 4 wheeled vehicle, that there is only one axle, and its in the middle of the vehicle?


I'm not sure of when or where anyone said it was only supposed to have four wheels...or any wheels...and what axle?
I don't remember anyone ever mentioning an axle? I do remember something about a gun barrel.
Fact is, these Roly Poly TruckCopters are odd things...especially when it comes to serving Ice Cream.

[cblf49]

I think I know what it is:

[airdave]

THATS IT!!!

That must be the original "roly poly truckcopter"!!

LMAO

but where does the Ice Cream come out?

[John Bowden]

but where does the Ice Cream come out?

Do you REALLY want him to answer that?

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear AirDave:
I can't stand it Inquiring Minds Want to know wheres the Ice Cream?
Also what is that thing from that looks like the Rolly Polly Ice cream Helo?
This is fun,
MILES

[airdave]

If you do a Bing Image search for "roly poly truck copter"
this comes up in the results:

http://www2.antiquesnavigator.com/ebay/images/2011/170589023259.jpg

which, strangely enough, has absolutely nothing to do with this project.

[sgoti]

Oooh.. oooh! I know!

It's the machine that made all the monkeys Dave used in his image counting thread (http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/cardboard-lounge/9388-paper-model-counting-image-challenge-thread.html)!

[Hudsonduster]

I'm intuitin' here...not a land vehicle. First thought was post-steam-era drive for a sidewheel "Riverboat," second is a stationary installation for a carnival ride.

This is fun!

EDIT: Cancel the Dude Cruiser, there's no reversing gear (showing). That mount frame's looking more & more stationary all the time.

[airdave]

oooh I like the "carnival ride" connection...we should explore that.

[richkat]

Your wife must be speaking of that kind of ATV, one of the first Bombardier made. Engine in the rear and axle in the middle... maybe. Anyway, that is the closer I can get so far.;)

Cami
I think Cami is on to something.......Rich

[josh]

Any more details on the gun barrel?

[whulsey]

Don't know if that's what it is, but a model of the one Cami posted would be pretty cool!

[cblf49]

THATS IT!!!

That must be the original "roly poly truckcopter"!!

LMAO

but where does the Ice Cream come out?


See attached:

[ashevilleangler]

OK Here's some ice cream!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8293/7612923098_70ff88386b.jpg

It's a Bombardier B-7 circa 1935.

Curt

[sporticus]

I have no idea but I did notice something which may helpe the more knowledgable. If the'gun barrell' is an axle and drives tracks then the drive is fixed. What I mean is that in my mind it's not like a tank where the drive can be switched to each track independently for steering. It's one long anxle with no split in the middle
I do like the last Ice cream van theory! For the reason just given it can't be a paddle boat, so some sort of tracked vehcile makes sense. Not sure how the steering is going to fit in though!! Only looks big enough for a one man vehicle without any cargo!

[sporticus]

Wrong drive and chassis for a Bombardier!! Autoneige B7 - Download Free Photos (http://foter.com/f/photo/3330369175/dd17898fd3/)

It's a big solid chassis on the model!

[doctormax]

If you do a Bing Image search for "roly poly truck copter"
this comes up in the results:

http://www2.antiquesnavigator.com/ebay/images/2011/170589023259.jpg

which, strangely enough, has absolutely nothing to do with this project.
roly poly truckcopter search its worse on youtube dave lmao I wonder what Roly Poly means in Korean i think they are Korean 25V5qZ3pbIw

[doctormax]

I get serious for once on this a Ski Doo snowmobile

[Uyraell]

As best I can hypothesise, the engine, frame/chassis and drive layout look akin to what one would expect to find under the panelling of a Caterpillar D4 Bulldozer, and perhaps its' elder ancestors, some of which were employed as airfield tow tractors prior to and during WW2. The other likely possibility would be a Caterpillar D7 ancestor.

135322 D4

135323 D7


Railframe chassis, fixed, rigid-mounted differential leading to dual chain-drive of a "mid-chassis" drive sprocket, which would give an "arched" track arrangement, the drive sprocket being almost but slightly abaft of mid-way between the rear and the forward idler wheels on each side. The "steering" of the tracks would thus be by hydraulic braking of the idler wheels rather than by mechanical braking or geared braking of the differential unit, which thus would have to handle torque related matters only.

At any rate, for what it's worth, the above is my best hypothesis.

Kind and Respectful Regards my friends, Uyraell.

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear Uyraell:
According to AirDaves hints the Motor is in the rear! the Cats are all Front motors. I am with you in Thinking that it is tracked, Lots of the Early Canadian Snow Vech. are powered from the rear. It is going to be an eye opener when we finely find out what year what country and what thing it is though guessing is fun.
Having Fun,
MILES

[Uyraell]

Dear Miles, the next thought I have is of a tracked vehicle known as a Cletrac.
These came into being shortly after WW1, and were license-produced in both Canada, the USA and parts of Europe during the 1920's and early 1930's.
They are to some degree also related to the Kegresse halftrack vehicles as appeared in France and Poland prior to WW2.

Granted, whilst the majority of the Kegresse vehicles were front-engined, I am by no means certain all of the Cletrac vehicles were.
I'm reasonably sure some of the Cletracs were rear-engined.

Given that AirDave produced his Armoured car model which has a similar style of chassis and drive train, a Cletrac vehicle of some kind would not be too far a conceptual reach in design terms. I guess we'll wait and see, and meantime enjoy the fun this thread is. :)

Kind and Respectful Regards Miles, Uyraell.

[airdave]

I have to say, so far, this is the best guess:

(Just because its so freakin' awesome looking!! lol its perfection!)

OK Here's some ice cream!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8293/7612923098_70ff88386b.jpg

It's a Bombardier B-7 circa 1935.

Curt


and oddly enough, it has nothing to do with "All Star Basketball"!
(you guys totally missed the clue in that post)

[whulsey]

Would love to see a Clectrac but don't know of any that were rear engined. Here's my favorite one with a wheeled tractor build from it in the background.

[sporticus]

I was thinking about why it is driven as it is. i,e why the differential is mounted in front of the axle. To my mind this is to balance it, or to allow room for a seat right over the middle. The diff is big and the chassis boxy so I'm guessing it's going to be ww2 era at latest. It's almost agricultural in simpilcity which makes me think Russian.
The chassis also seems very strong of it's size.
I have three off the wall ideas.
1) It's balanced because it's the drive unit for a giant one wheel car design....you know like a giant hamster wheel with this in the middle.
2) The central drive axle then drive complicated cogs and cams for a walking machine.
3) It's only a small part of a much bigger machine. I can almost see this just being a winch or something that fits on something much bigger!

[ashevilleangler]

Dave, I did it for the ice cream! The Perfection part is just the cherry on top.

Curt

[doctormax]

what its one of them fairground things to throw the basketball into and it throws the basketball out at you and then you throw and you hit the teacher in the head and she gets annoyed and turns around like a borg and comes toward you and you run for the safety of the hired bus and tell the driver do not open the door for that teacher. and she is banging on the door like a banshee screaming she is going to hit you with either the Nina the pinta or the Santa Maria and you curse Columbus adn think why didn't he have one skinny boat that could be called the Raquel Welch and it be nicer to have been hit on the hand by Raquel Welch or on the bottom even better but we won't ge to naughty here ;) this is a true story from 1975 the case of the basketball all star machine the teachers head and the terrible shot with a basketball. I don't think i ever got one basketball in a hoop in 46 years

[airdave]

uh......no

[doctormax]

So the mystery continues the roly poly truckcopter is elusive

[Yale]

1. The only idea that pops into mind from your sports references, Dave, is a Zamboni, but I think its engine is in front.

2. A vehicle clearly not your new project, but which very much fits into the "wouldn't it be neat?" category is the Weinermobile. Are you perhaps looking for a new project, Cami?

[ashevilleangler]

Okay Dave, I'll bite. The B-7 has nothing to do with All Star Basketball which has nothing to do with this project. Clue?????? Huh? What? The only other thing referenced in that post was do a Bing search for roly poly truckcopter. Yeah that was helpful,....... NOT!

Curt

[airdave]

http://oddlovescompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/laughing-monkey.jpg

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear AirDave:
I think that you should put the mystrey machine on hold and make a Koolwheels of the Icecream Snowcat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with the trailer and cream cans.
Come on everbody lets all chant;
Icecream Snowcat,
Icecream Snowcat,
Icecream Snowcat,
Go Dave go,
MILES

[richkat]

GO Dave GO
Icecream Snowcat
Icecream Snowcat
GO Dave GO
....Rich

[ashevilleangler]

Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!
Icecream Snowcat!

So there!

Curt

[John Bowden]

Hey.............. Hey............ Hey You Guys..................

Wake up!! Wake up!


We've all been asleep and having some kind of a design thread nightmare......

I don't know why but I have this strange desire to build something that is totally unknown to anybody and eat a big bowl of ice cream....................

damn I glad that is over............sheez........ it was really a screamer.

[Vermin_King]

At one point I had an inkling of where this is going, but that inkling is nothing but a rabbit trail leading to nowhere now ...

You have to admit the Ice Cream Sno-Cat is pretty sweet, though

[airdave]

okay, its time to clear up a couple of things!

time to be serious
(for a moment...then its back to ice cream and monkeys, I promise)

No where did I mention this model has a Gun Barrel.
Thats all on you guys.
Sure, I quoted it, and made fun of it...but I never agreed there was a "gun barrel" involved.

No where did I mention an "Axle".
Once again...on you guys.

Theres a big difference between an "axle" and a "spindle".
An axle rotates and connects rotating things...a spindle just supports rotating things.

So, a couple of assumptions, which are based on the idea of an "axle"
are of course wrong.

I do like leading you guys around in circles...I'll admit that...but I haven't
done it by lying to you. There is in fact a clue in the "Basketball" post.
But its quite obscure and you'll probably only get it if I explain it.
(I apologize)

Snowcat Ice Cream coming later...much later!

[airdave]

So, moving on...

Look at this...its getting real interesting now!:

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7227427_800x600.jpg


...
but then...theres this!..."what the heck is that?!"

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7227425_779x600.jpg

[Uyraell]

If it is a standing engine, then either we have a Generator of sorts, or something like a Threshing Machine engine, or a Hay Bailer engine. Something along those lines.

Beyond that, I'm currently out of ideas.

Kind and Respectful Regards my friends, Uyraell.

[murphyaa]

Still voting for the canadian bacon slicer.


With an add-on cheese slicer.

[Spacemen1969]

Gees guys, I don't mean to sound rude and insulting, but Dave did say this in a previous post "you guys are gonna be so pissed when I tell you
its the Ice Cream Van from down the street! lol
(I was going to say Ice Lolly Van, but we have too many 'Mericans watching! lol)".

[Hudsonduster]

If it is a standing engine, then either we have a Generator of sorts, or something like a Threshing Machine engine, or a Hay Bailer engine. Something along those lines.

Ahhhh...the worm reduction transmission is too slow for a generator, but farm equipment is perfect. I'm too lazy to go real all this again, but soomebody oughta pore over Dave's "Basketball" post, looking for, um the seed of an idea.

[sporticus]

Hmmm.Basketball game made in 1935....which probably has nothing to do with the project at all!


And the idea it is a spindle rather than an axle makes sense. I did wonder why a modelmaker of such obvious skill and with such attention to detail did not appear to have put any sort of bush for the axle to rotate in the chassis. Now it makes sense.....well..kinda.

[sporticus]

What about one of these flying cars?......just needs a coolbox in the front for the icecream :-)

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear List folks:
What vintage is the Power Plant 6 cyl Inline to me it looks gas rather than Diesel???? I am hung up on the frame painted OD Green just said military to me. AirDave is going chain Happy.
Still thinking,
MILES

[sporticus]

What about some kind of rear engine chain driven Hot rod?

[murphyaa]

What about one of these flying cars?......just needs a coolbox in the front for the icecream :-)

We need a card model of that. Any 3-views?

[airdave]

Miles! finally!...someone puts some focus on the powerplant.

I honestly thought it was going to be an important clue when I first posted pics
but nobody seemed to care too much. lol

And the Basketball clue is gonna come back to haunt me, isn't it?!!!

...
Even though I still have a lot more to do around what you see
I've decided to stray outside the box...get it?
...and work on some elements that just might give it away.

Major clue coming today!
...get your guesses in now, because this is all gonna change real soon!

[airdave]

What about some kind of rear engine chain driven Hot rod?

oh definitely!!! very very hot!!

[avro202]

element? Hot?

If its a stove, it's the damnedest one I've ever seen.

[KCStephens]

Im thinking it's some sort of ATV.

[airdave]

Im thinking it's some sort of ATV.

technically, you are correct sir


does this help?

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7227434_800x593.jpg

[Cami]

An antique bulldozer... something like that? Or just I just give up...:rolleyes:

Cami

[NimitzFan]

Gee, I was about to suggest a "Tsar Tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Tank)." Now I'm not sure.

[Cami]

I GOT IT!!! I can't believe i didn't think about it earlier!!! LOL

Cami

[jagolden01]

I GOT IT!!! I can't believe i didn't think about it earlier!!! LOL

Cami

OH WOW! How can I convert mine!?

[sporticus]

Not a Golith. Not a Wasp........sigh..what is it!!

[doctormax]

is that a smart car with tracks

[sporticus]

OOOHHHHHH I think I've found it!! Will PM you airdave...wouldn't want to spoil the fun for every one else! As for the basketball clue......extremely obscure!

Nice model, although I don't think my wife would like me to have one of these ;-)

[richkat]

I GOT IT!!! I can't believe i didn't think about it earlier!!! LOL

Cami

That is so COOL!!!! one smart car i would like to have!!....Rich

[airdave]

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7227436_784x600.jpg


I got a little tired of the interior stuff...very frustrating work since there is
virtually no reference material to work from.

I have decided to work on other areas for a while.
(I was also anxious to experiment with a colouring/texture idea for some external parts)

I figured these might help clue everyone into what the project is.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/cutandfold/PaperModel%20Project/P7227431_792x600.jpg

re the "basketball" post...when I did a search for "roly poly truck copter"
I was curious if anything would appear that somehow related to this vehicle.
When I saw the Basketball Game, I said to myself
"what does that have to do with roly poly truck copter?
lol but at least its boxy...just like my project"
...and thats why I used it as a clue.
Told you it was obscure.

And thats your final clue...
after hours of searching online images Sporticus has guessed the vehicle.
(you really need a hobby sporticus)
I'll let everyone else stew over it for another day, then I reveal.

Time to get serious with this design.

[sporticus]

Thank god for google images!,,Just working out what words to search for!.,...As for the Basketball box....wow...that was even more obscure than the link I found with it!!

As for the internal detail, good luck. I have only seen the one photo of the 'incomplete' interior! Darn secretive these Icecream sellers.

Maybe you should put a scale man next to it for reference!!

[cardist]

I have been following this with interest and extreme puzzlement. However I think that I am onto it at last. Huzza!
Nice one Dave. What scale is it again?
All the best and happy modelling
Bernie

[Cami]

I LOVE the wheatered look. I will have to figure how to do that on some of my cars. Very neat.;)

Cami

[airdave]

well, the scale is a bit of an issue.

The only measurements of this vehicle are available through a Wikipedia listing.
I can't seem to nail down any other measurements from any other source.
But the Wikipedia measures are not clear on whats being measured exactly.
In fact, the measurements don't precisely correlate to some facts about the vehicle.

You see I rushed into prototype production without properly nailing down a scale size.
I thought I had a rough scale size, but my calculations were off,
and I made the decision not to stop building.
(Which is actually what I should have done before I got this far)

Since then I have acquired the original drawings for the unique Track design.
And I have the precise measurements of each Track section.
Extrapolating has given me my present scale size and proper measures.

I am faced with producing the model at the current scale
or
finishing this build, but rescale the final model release
or
rescale the kit now and restart my prototype build.

The current build is 1:16.6 scale. (yes 16.6!)
I originally wanted the finished (release) model to be 1:18 scale.
So I was close, but not close enough.

[avro202]

Boxy. Boxy? aha! Just figured it out! :)

Nice. I dont recall seeing this in paper before.

[cardist]

Wow. It's going to be a biggy. I for one am glad that you have stuck with this project. Put me down for a pre-order.
B

[Uyraell]

I think I might have it too.
I'll give an obscure hint at what I think the vehicle being modelled is.

Named after a monarch who died ex-cathedra, using a nickname bestowed upon said monarch by an older, related monarch, also deceased by the time the named monarch died.

Kind and Respectful Regards my friends, Uyraell.

[looker]

Built in Lincoln weren't it.:)




PS. how exactly does one set about dying ex-cathedra?

[Texman]

Finally, I think I have it as well. Just a little guess.....:)

[airdave]

I knew the Track housings would give it away!

The original "Tank".
Considered to be the first "Tank".

xEth4-g3ZYc

...
I am seriously pondering the frustrating task of rebuilding my prototype.
What I have built so far is wrong scale. (Its close, but its not.)
The final model is to be 1/18 scale.

I have been designing as I build and creating the actual parts pages for the kit at the same time.
So at some point I will have to reduce all my parts and rearrange my pages.
To avoid confusion I would rather do that now before the part count gets any higher.
I can also take advantage of parts changes and additional details that
have been added since starting the prototype build.

The prospect of rebuilding everything again has really soured my mood
and yesterday was a very frustrating day (trying to decide what to do).
(I was hoping to have this model done before the September Model show,
but now it looks like it will have to wait...I have too many other things to prepare for the show.)

So, I will have to ponder this a little more and decide what I want to do.
Regardless, I will be starting a new production thread for this model.

In the meantime...
Thanks to all that have followed so far, I hope you continue to watch.
Thanks for all your support and interest.

[Uyraell]

Built in Lincoln weren't it.:)




PS. how exactly does one set about dying ex-cathedra?

"Ex-Cathedra" literally means (in Second Declension, aIui,) "away from the Throne".
"Camera" meant chamber, whereas "Cathedra" meant throne....

Hence, "Ex-Cathedra" is also a polite method of referring to a deposed monarch. :)

As for "built in Lincoln", I believe so, by a company whose name is, in Terre'Australis at least, also associated with the working man's elixir, beer. :)

Kind and Respectful Regards Looker, Uyraell.

[HMCS]

very very cool choice of vehicle to model!,.. I say finish it to get it all figured out! I least you will have a cool model out of all the hard work youve done,..and a rare one of!,.. it will be up on your shelf and looking great! who cares if its out of scale!
then once your done, rescale everything for the production version,.. so everyone else can have something thats in scale! I say continue!,.. BTW the textures are looking great!

[looker]

I knew the Track housings would give it away! Actually it was the "spindle/axle" comments that gave it away, few vehicles have had a suspension component that functioned quite like that (in co-ordination with the sprung steering wheels) - it's just that I haven't had proper net access for a while to have been able to post.

I always thought it to mean "from the throne" rather than "away from the throne". (Perhaps el papa needs to hear about this. :))

[avro202]

Another clue could have been that it was a terrible song from the 70's! :-)

the sweet - little willy (with lyrics) - YouTube (http://youtu.be/hmbEuRzlhIs)

[looker]

Skip that one - more directly of course the title (which seems to have been tidied up a bit in recent times. in a pc sort of way ;)) of the traditional Wiltshire folk song that became the march of the Royal Tank Regiment.

Royal Tank Regiment (Quick March) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=ULJSPxLQHG0&NR=1)
http://www.kididdles.com/lyrics/m120.html

[Miles Linnabery]

Dear AirDave:
Still think you should do the first Bombandier Snow Cat. Though Little Willy is cool in its own right. thanks for the thread it was fun. Looking forward to the build report. Well I guessed wrong,
Thanks,
MILES

[airdave]

Actually it was the "spindle/axle" comments that gave it away, few vehicles have had a suspension component that functioned quite like that (in co-ordination with the sprung steering wheels) - it's just that I haven't had proper net access for a while to have been able to post.


No suspension...none.
All wheels (track, drive, etc) are solid mounted.
The track housings swivel on the center spindle.

There is small device that controls the leveling of the body.
Its actual operation is not clear...I believe I have figured out,
but it provides no real cushioning properties for the vehicle.

[avro202]

Were you thinking of adding in all that weird steering stuff that originally was on the back?

[airdave]

The steering carriage was added because of difficulties in steering.
Its not actually part of the original design but became a necessity
and was carried over to the Mk 1 design.

It was hydraulic operated and probably worked more like
a rudder, digging into the ground.

I did not intend on including it, but I have thought about creating
the add-on at a later date.

[Doubting Thomas]

Almost a hundred years ago 1915, according to the Tank Museum video.
Interesting choice as well as the scale. 1:18th.

Are you going to put a turret as the original design prototype envisioned?
The tracks are always a test in patience. Have fun doing all those rivets too!

Jeff

[airdave]

No Turret...I think I am just going to design it like the configuration
in the attached photo.
The Tank is obviously well tested in this photo, so the intended Turret
and steering carriage are not integral parts of the early design.

And this is how Willie is on display at the Bovington Tank Museum

[Hudsonduster]

"Farm Equipment." Uh - HUH.

Trivia quiz: anybody know the original reasoning behind the curvature of the track bottom?

[airdave]

Less ground contact (on level ground anyway) means less swiveling resistance.
In other words, easier to turn the vehicle.

[jimkrauzlis]

So, where does the ice cream dispenser go?:)

Cheers!
Jim

[Hudsonduster]

...the original reasoning behind the curvature of the track bottom?Less ground contact (on level ground anyway) means less swiveling resistance. In other words, easier to turn the vehicle.
Nice, but there's more:

Some guy was looking at how to get across enemy trenches in a hurry. He factored in the usual trench width & worked out what size of carriage it'd take to roll a certain usable mass across that gap at so-&-so speed...worked out to something like 54 feet diameter, if I recall.

The guys developing these vehicles (they called 'em "tanks" as a little deceptive camouflage) looked at those numbers, & thought: Hmm, it matters less if the center of mass isn't at the center of that wheel's roatation, the physics still apply - and a lower center of mass even works the numbers better!

Thus, you got the roly-poly rocker based on that 27' radius, rather than a simple short-flat center area. Pretty kinky, huh?

[Gresh]

Little Willie was officially first called 'The Lincoln No.1 Machine' and had modified Bullock track, because it used off the shelf parts in the design it only took something like 30 days to build. The track performed badly over rough ground and a new track was developed.

The photo shows the building of the machine at Fosters factory. Note that the mock turret is being fitted, the hand drill, and the portholes are not yet cut in the hull, why the Naval terms? This was a Naval project, a Landship. The Army liked their horses.

The photo is from Richard Pullen's book Landships of Lincoln.

[airdave]

Hi Chris.

Already started a new thread for this project.
HERE (http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/dave-winfields-projects/20727-1-18-scale-little-willie-first-tank-no-1-lincoln-machine.html#post306394)
From now on I will continue the updates there.

Please, everyone, stay tuned!!