Paragon's Vulcan Line

[Paragon]

Well, the DSRV got me started, so I'm on to the next one now. She's almost done, but I figured I'd post a teaser and see who could identify it first.

Hopefully I'll have her built tomorrow.

[D-WHALE]

ah, the Sh´Ran type! (also 600 meters long) WOW!
I would like to see the "Future cruiser"! :eek:

[Paragon]

Wow, that was fast, first guess. What gave it away, the yellow shape on the warp ring?

You know, I also just remembered, the main Andorian in the show was Shran. What's with the nearly identical names?

[Sidewinder81777]

Ahh excellent, Paragon you're a machine!

[Paragon]

Hah! Not quite, just easily obsessed. ;)

[THE DC]

Paragon;"You know, I also just remembered, the main Andorian in the show was Shran. What's with the nearly identical names?"

A similar situation between the birthplace of Spock & the Andorian hand weapon of choice.

Only so many words possible...so many people making them up...


The DC

[Paragon]

Yeah, but the Vulcans and Andorians were mortal enemies for awhile there.

[D-WHALE]

Wow, that was fast, first guess. What gave it away, the yellow shape on the warp ring?


Indeed, it was it! and the high-detailed structure of the warp ring! the Surak has not these structure!

You know, I also just remembered, the main Andorian in the show was Shran. What's with the nearly identical names?

the name was Shran not Sh´Ran (sha-ran):D

Anyway! I´m a little bit confused about the warp ring, because the blue plasma exhaust is also a circle and not a straight stripe!:confused::confused::confused:

Looking forward to that:cool:

CU
Marko

[THE DC]

Paragon;"Yeah, but the Vulcans and Andorians were mortal enemies for awhile there."

Ah, true, but recall thast that was in the Berman-alternate timeline of STE!


Trying to make sense of post Roddenberry Trek is like trying to fit cheese in an acorn...

...it may be possible, but what's the point!


The DC

[Paragon]

Alright, photo time!

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3009.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3009.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3010.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3010.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3011.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3011.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3012.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3012.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3014.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3014.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3015.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3015.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3017.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3017.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3018.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3018.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3019.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3019.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3020.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3020.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3021.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3021.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3022.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3022.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3023.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3023.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3024.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3024.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3025.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3025.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3026.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3026.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3028.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3028.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3029.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3029.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3031.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3031.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3032.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3032.jpg)

I included shots of it with other ships for scale reference (note though, that the DSRV is NOT to scale with it). I hope that also helps you undertsand the warp coil construction. I haven't decided if I'm pleased with it or not, but I know trying to put a thin circle on a ring like that is going to be near impossible.

I also included a photo of the marker I use for edge coloring, a Prismacolor "Tuscan Red" marker. As you can see, it matches the ship's texture very well.

[Paragon]

Sorry, here are the rest:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3033.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3033.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3034.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3034.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3036.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3036.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3037.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3037.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3038.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3038.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3039.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3039.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3040.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3040.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3043.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3043.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3044.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3044.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3045.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3045.jpg)
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http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3049.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3049.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3050.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3050.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3051.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3051.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3052.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3052.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/th_IMG_3053.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/ShRan/?action=view&current=IMG_3053.jpg)

[D-WHALE]

Hi James!

Honest opinion? The hull looks good, but the ring is a disaster!

[Paragon]

Really? Aside from one area where an edge got warped, I thought it looked pretty good.

What does it need?

[THE DC]

Wow! two accomplished and skilled designers honestly discussing the betterment of a model without falling all over themselves to avoid hurting feelings AND showing a cooperative and effective willingness to improve the final product?

Someone save this thread...


The DC

[Paragon]

So besides the ring, I've pretty much fixed the rest of the model for release. I've decided to get rid of the blue tint on the edges, and include the flat coils, but I still think the ring looks alright already.

[Paragon]

Wow! two accomplished and skilled designers honestly discussing the betterment of a model without falling all over themselves to avoid hurting feelings AND showing a cooperative and effective willingness to improve the final product?

Someone save this thread...


The DC

Well Enlgish isn't D-Whale's primary language, skipping the pleasantries and being as straightforward as possible facilitates easier discussion.

[Sidewinder81777]

Are you going to release a 1:1700 version as well as a 1:1900 version? and which NX is that mirror ent based on? Clever's or Pericles'?

[Paragon]

Yes, I made the 1:1700 version first and then scaled it down to 1:1900 for my build.

I don't remember which Enterprise I used, but I'm sure you can figure out from the files:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/th_NX01_enterprise06copy.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/?action=view&current=NX01_enterprise06copy.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/th_NX01_enterprise05copy.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/?action=view&current=NX01_enterprise05copy.jpg)

As you can tell, only two parts needed to be changed, just substitute them for the others.

[Zathros]

Wow, my wife's name is Sharon, I wonder?

[Paragon]

Haha, ok I get it, Sh'Ran and Shran isn't that interesting. Anyway, the kit is pretty much done now, I've fixed the ring colors and added the second ring option. I also added the "knob" on the bottom of the ring.

Release should be tonight, soon (unless D-Whale clarifies the problems with the ring and its not what I thought). Once it's uploaded, I plan to move right along to the Vulcan shuttle from Ent (with an annular warp drive like the Sh'Ran's), since I have the most reference images for it. The ship is about 35m long (compared to the Danube class at 20m) so it really could be its own class of ship instead of just a shuttle, but 35m is a little too small for 1:1700 and 1:1900 (though I might try driving myself insane with a build at that scale) so I'm going to aim for 1:150 (~23cm long), to go along with the rest of my "auxilliary craft" collection.

After that, maybe the T'Plana Hath, or the Suurok (Surak), or maybe even the T'Pau. What would you all like the most of those three?

[Sidewinder81777]

Ok thats Clever's. Im totally impressed that you built that one at 1:1900. I was going to build Pericles' since it looked a little simpler but since its possible to build it that small i guess I'm going to have to do Clever's, more detailed version.
Lets see we already have a Surak, although I grant you it leaves plenty of room for improvement. TTBOMK nobody has done a T'plana hath yet and it does occupy a brief but significant place in trek history so I say go for that!

[Paragon]

Don't do Clever's unless you want a headache and a sloppy model. I'm sure its wonderful at the original scale, but at the size I built it, its not that good at all.

I've been considering reorganizing his parts a little to make it easier to build smaller. It would make some of the parts a little less accurate, but I'd like to use it for an Intrepid and to build a good USS Enterprise at 1:1900. Basically, I'll be making most of the parts contiguous.

If I do that I'll be sure to share the files with you.

[Sidewinder81777]

Thanks! and im looking forward to when you get around to the intrepid too. Im busy right now doing a repaint of the fiddler's green cessna bird-dog for someone I know who flew one in vietnam, then I really need to build Chris Stahl's B-26 for someone I know who flew in them in WWII (In one of the exact planes that he already has a paint job of, "Flak Bait"). Oh and Im also doing the existing surak model as a quick easy build to just kind of throw in somewhere, and Clever's Rhode Island at some point./ And I still need to build stands for my Saladin, Sabre, & Stargazer. Naah I don't have much on my plate, LOL.

[D-WHALE]

Hi Guys!
Sorry for the late answer, but i need a little bit of time to do something!
Family, translating THIS thread (can you not write in german:o:D) and to designing!
The problem with the ring is, that it is not a circle!!! it´s an OVAL! I downloaded the Drex files too, and designed a (i think so) good version of that ring!
@Paragon
if you want the PDO file, i can send it to you! I also can convert it to a JPG or whatever you want! you must only add the internal site!
If i right calculated it the biggest diameter of the ring is approx. 185m!
so i scaled to 1/1700 and the size is ~10,9 cm.

I would like to see the T´plana hath! But if i´m also honestly it is better if someone do it these ship with a 3D-Program!!! don´t forget: it has moveble feets and a rotating center!!!

To Clever´s NX:( Headache is a good word for that!
@Josh i can send you an e-mail:rolleyes: Do you want to testbuild the rework?

So here two pics of the Ring!

Good night
Marko

[Paragon]

Not to worry! I did get the oval shape down with the additional parts, and it looks almost exactly the same as the parts you've designed in Pepakura. Thanks for being helpful though.

[widget]

T'pau !!!!!!!!!

[Paragon]

By the way, I don't have great reference images for the T'Plana Hath, Surak or T'Pau, so if any of you have good images (the kind you won't find in a google image search), I'd appreciate them.

[Millenniumfalsehood]

I'd much prefer a T'Plana Hath.

Here's a partial orthographic of it:

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/vulcan/warpship_tplanahath.jpg
Here's the Surak:

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/vulcan/combatcruiser_surak.jpg

And here's the T'Pau

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/vulcan/cruiser_tpau.jpg

Have a nice day. :8)

[Paragon]

Well I didn't have the T'Plana Hath image, but I did have the Surak and T'Pau views. Unfortunately that Surak is also severely innacurate (not long enough and not pointy enough, in simple terms).

[Sidewinder81777]

Actually looking at actual screen caps, I dont think the surak's tail is as long as is shown in some illustrations.
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv351/sidewinder81777/shuttle-vulcan.jpg
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv351/sidewinder81777/surak-timur-nivar.jpg

[D-WHALE]

I think i have a good view of the Surak from the japanese fact files:confused: I must search!

[Paragon]

I'm sure there's a way to measure it...but I'm still sure its longer than the other diagram.

[Sidewinder81777]

Damn,do you guys sleep? (I'm one to talk considering Ive been up all night lol)

[Paragon]

Usually, I decided to pull an all-nighter for some reason though.

[Paragon]

I just re-watched the end of "Breaking the Ice", and when the shuttlepod is rescued with the tractor beam, you can get a brief view of the tail from a different angle that I think supports the Ex Astris Scientia images.

[D-WHALE]

Sleep? What is that:D

@ James you have an E-mail
I guess i can use it!;)

[Sidewinder81777]

Well I finished the domatine surak. I know its not a very accurate or detailed model but I wanted to get a little practice on assembling the annular warp ring type structure before I started on the Sh'raan.
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv351/sidewinder81777/DSCN0373.jpg

[Paragon]

Yeah, I got that e-mail D-Whale, again, thank you, it will be incredibly helpful.

He sent me an ortographic of the Surak class with the long tail, in color. I should be able to use it to make a good Surak class model.

[Sidewinder81777]

Fantastic!

[D-WHALE]

only ask the daddy:D:D:D

[Paragon]

Ok, I've started work on the Shuttle, but only just. So far, I have 3 votes for the T'Plana Hath, 0 for the Surak, and 1 for T'Pau.

Unfortunately, I'm out of paper and ink. I have been for awhile now, I got by using the backs of printed sheets I decided I'd not build, on my family printer, which is now also out of color ink, and besides that, its an HP, and prints in that horrid water-soluble ink that always gets messed up once the model is done. Obviously design will be stalled for quite some time until I can get paper and ink. Yes, sending the files to people for beta builds can be helpful, but the way I design requires a hands-on analysis of problems.

I should have some money coming in with my paycheck, and I've been contacted by a gentleman wishing to purchase two fully constructed models of my Farragut, but if any of you are interested in helping me get to work more quickly on the models, I'll throw out my little poll - even put the shuttle on hold - and let the donor choose.

I really hate begging...

Anyway, as it stands, I now believe I have sufficient reference images to design models of the following ships:
- Shuttle (in progress)
- T'Plana Hath
- Surak
- T'Pau (I can make up some details for the bottom, I'm pretty sure there isn't any more out there for reference)

The other models I'd like to design are:
- Vahklas
- D'Vahl
- Survey ship (the one T'Pol's great grandmother served on)
- Fighter (apparently a modified D'Vahl)

So essentially, while I'll appreciate any additional reference images for the first list, I really need more for the second list.

I'm also considering calling the Jellyfish (from ST XI) Vulcan and designing a model of it.

[Paragon]

Well at least I know how to kill a thread in the future.

[THE DC]

I'm not really as concerned about what you do first as much as you follow your muse. I'd rather you tackle that which you're most intersted so the process is not a chore for you, that you'd resent later.


BTW: I'm going to follow up on that request...things have just been heavy lately!


The DC

[Millenniumfalsehood]

Aren't there any good underside views of the T'Pau in Unification Pt 1&2? I know TNG cameramen liked to shoot the models from the top-down, but there's a chance.

Paragon, the Jellyfish as the IDIC on its side, so it's safe to assume it's a pure Vulcan design. Even if it isn't red. ;)

[Paragon]

Well in the comics, the Jellyfish was Geordi's baby really. Sure, it was built by the IDIC, but it definitely gave the distinct impression that Geordi did a significant amount, if not the majority of the design. Jellyfish certainly isn't a Vulcan name.

[THE DC]

Millenniumfalsehood;"Aren't there any good underside views of the T'Pau in Unification Pt 1&2? I know TNG cameramen liked to shoot the models from the top-down, but there's a chance."


I have some, but I have to find them. They are production stills, but packed away.

I may know another place to get some, that will be less painful than my digging through the storage unit...


Let me smolder...



The DC

[Paragon]

Millenniumfalsehood;"Aren't there any good underside views of the T'Pau in Unification Pt 1&2? I know TNG cameramen liked to shoot the models from the top-down, but there's a chance."


I have some, but I have to find them. They are production stills, but packed away.

I may know another place to get some, that will be less painful than my digging through the storage unit...


Let me smolder...



The DC


Who are you??????? Where do you get this stuff??

Did you work on TNG...???

Its definitely nice to have someone with your connections around though, I'm really looking forward to anything you can find on the T'Pau!

[Sidewinder81777]

Who was that masked man!?

[THE DC]

Paragon;"Who are you??????? Where do you get this stuff??

Did you work on TNG...???

Its definitely nice to have someone with your connections around though, I'm really looking forward to anything you can find on the T'Pau!"

If I told you, then I'd have to nerve pinch you...

;)

...and we'd all be dprived of your talents for the recovery period!


The DC

[bf109]

if we all throw in some money ,it will be just a couple of coins to us but we can enjoy paragons work
so who's with me ?
so paragon give me your details which i need to transfer it from europe to you or is there a western union office near you (seems you can pick it up there must sort that out first )

[Sidewinder81777]

If I had any money to give I would gladly do so. Unfortunately the rain has prevented me from working all week. Ive got like 4 bucks to my name right now. I'll gladly paypal you that Paragon if it will help (hey added to whatever else you get it couldnt hurt right).

[Paragon]

I don't want your last $4! I'm really only asking the people who can afford it easily, and even if nobody can/wants to, I'm expecting some income soon (probably a week).

For those of you interested in chipping in, there is the Paypal donation box on my site, but I really don't want anyone to feel pressured into it at all.


If I told you, then I'd have to nerve pinch you...

;)

...and we'd all be dprived of your talents for the recovery period!


The DC

Very curious.......very curious indeed. Any word on the other reference images you offered to get, regarding the rest of the Vulcan fleet?

[Sidewinder81777]

Very curious.......very curious indeed.

And he is one of the holdouts on using an actual pic for his avatar.
Fascinating.

[bf109]

forgot about paypal on your site , its on his way or you should have it now :)
what i want = make your models , and show your face
so we can go like :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :D

[Paragon]

Haha, really, my face? I guess I can abide that. ;)

[bf109]

haha like i thought :eek::eek: ....just kidding :D
and for the rest of the trekkies i think where going to see this in a little whilehttp://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/stmagazine/tplana-hath.jpg

[Sidewinder81777]

HARRY POTTER!, lol just kidding

[Paragon]

haha like i thought :eek::eek: ....just kidding :D
and for the rest of the trekkies i think where going to see this in a little whilehttp://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/stmagazine/tplana-hath.jpg

Did you mean to post the blocked image, or is it something from MemAlph?

[Sidewinder81777]

it shows up fine for me

[Paragon]

I get a 403 Hotlink Alert.

[Sidewinder81777]

ok well this is the image he posted.
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv351/sidewinder81777/tplana-hath.jpg

[Paragon]

Alright, here's some prototyping I did with scraps lying around (since I won't have the ink until tomorrow). Obviously its crude, but I think it demonstrates the shape well.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3054.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3054.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3055.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3055.jpg)

[Paragon]

So after some close looks at screen grabs of the T'Plana Hath, it appears one of the "legs" doesn't have the forked bottom and door, can anyone confirm this?

[Paragon]

THIS (http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/the-vulcan-lander-model/) is the kind of stuff I was looking for! Can't believe I didn't find it sooner.

[Paragon]

Slow going without the ink and paper (still waiting for Paypal to transfer it into my account), but I have been getting more work done on the model.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3056.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3056.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3057.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3057.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3058.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3058.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3059.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3059.jpg)


I know it doesn't look like much so far, but the triangular symmetry of the ship means I essentially have the top of the vessel designed. That means all I really have left is a rotating "waist", and the legs. A few parts will need some tweaking in Photoshop (shape, not just addition of texture), but I really like the shape so far.

Of course, I am making copies of each part on paper, to make sure I can scan them in (I think I'll have to make a master sheet that I can't use as parts, and make several more copies of each on card, to help construct more).

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3061.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3061.jpg)

No, the color of the markers I'm using isn't a coincidence. ;)

Anyway, I'm very used to designing in Photoshop, and being much more sure of the shapes, but I'm finding this kind of design process very refreshing for some reason. I might have to do this more often.

[Stev0]

Not to sound like a smart arse but you only have to design 1/6th of it, flip it and array it twice in thirds.

[Paragon]

A little more than 1/3 actually, one of three wings, one of three legs make one third, plus the rotating waist makes a bit more (maybe 3/7 of the model). But you're right, not much compared to designing the entire model (like the Sh'Ran or DSRV).

[THE DC]

This is cool! Watching a physical design thread!


I'll leanr much here!


The DC

[Paragon]

Actually, its sort of a hybrid approach. The shape of the top wings, for example, was designed in Photoshop using the reference images of the T'Plana Hath, to get the proportions right. Then I traced the shape onto a thin piece of paper, and proceeded from there.

[widget]

Not to be a whiney azz,but I can't locate the Sh'Ran on you site.It's mentioned in the updates area,but I cannot find it. :(

[bf109]

Not to be a whiney azz,but I can't locate the Sh'Ran on you site.It's mentioned in the updates area,but I cannot find it. :(

in the startrek section just scroll down all the way its the last model on the page :D

[widget]

(sigh...) All I see are two different scales of the Maymora DSRV.

[Paragon]

Try refreshing the page? There should be three scales of the DSRV and then comes the Sh'Ran in two scales.

Maybe you should try a different browser.

[Paragon]

Another update! As you can see from the images, the T'Plana Hath prototype is almost done. The only part left is the foot.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3069.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3069.jpg)

This is the beginning of the collar assembly. It attaches to the bottom of the drive section.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3071.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3071.jpg)

This ring has a smaller diameter than the collar, and a lip with a wider diameter, if the application isn't obvious, perhaps it will be with the next images:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3074.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3074.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3075.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3075.jpg)

The axel is inserted into the collar, with the lip on top. A large circular piece is attached to the bottom; this single circular piece is very important.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3076.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3076.jpg)

This assembly then connects to the drive section.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3077.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3077.jpg)

I designed a conical section to cap the circle, but as will be visible later, had to remove it for another similar piece.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3078.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3078.jpg)

Here is one of the legs. The wide end has an axel on it. This axel is a segment of shishkabob skewer for the purposes of this prototype, the the final version will of course have paper axels included.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3079.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3079.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3080.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3080.jpg)



http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3081.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3081.jpg)

This is the redesigned conical cap, measured into thirds I cut out large grooves for the legs to be inserted. You can also see what will become axel housing, holding up the part. They will be folded over and glued to the inside of the cone to keep the leg axels in place, as follows:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3082.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3082.jpg)

With all three in place, the majority of the gear assembly is ready to be attached to the drive section.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3083.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3083.jpg)

As you can see, the result is a fully articulated gear assembly, that both lowers and raises its legs, as well as rotates into both flight and landing positions.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3084.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3084.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3085.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3085.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3087.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3087.jpg)

Feet tomorrow hopefully.

[Millenniumfalsehood]

You think its possible to create a mechanism that lowers the legs while the core is rotating simultaneously along with it?

Smatter 'o fact, I could develop one if you let me beta test the model after you digitize it.

[bf109]

thats looking good , could you also make the model fly :D

[THE DC]

Excellent work, Paragon!


The DC

[Paragon]

The first prototype is officially done:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3095.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3095.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3096.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3096.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3097.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3097.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3098.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3098.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3099.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3099.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3100.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3100.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3102.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3102.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3103.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3103.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3105.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3105.jpg)

Here you can see all the parts, traced onto a master sheet to be scanned in later. I also have master parts in a small tupperware container. I'd estimate the parts on this sheet represent close to 1/3 of the model, though some of them were copied 6 times instead of just 3.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3106.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3106.jpg)

[THE DC]

I am really enjoying seeing the process you use to make your kits!


Thanks,



DC

[widget]

Try refreshing the page? There should be three scales of the DSRV and then comes the Sh'Ran in two scales.

Maybe you should try a different browser.
Not only a different browser,but a different computer altogether.:o

[jacberk]

It's nice to see the design process in action. I never really cared for this ship, but your design & moving parts is makin' me want it.

Thems that can...Do! Thems that can't just enjoy the fruits of thems that do!

Thanks for sharing the process.

Jack

[Bones]

beautifull ships vulcans have... paragon ur the man... these proto model looks so damn fine :eek:

[Paragon]

Sorry for the lack of updates, I had to spend time building those two models that I thought I was going to sell (situation still unresolved, but a potential solution in the pipe).

I also got a little distracted by an odd desire to rebuild my shuttle fleet at accurate 1:150 scale. For those of you not aware, this make the shuttles tiny. I also finally got tired enough of my runabout model's cockpit section, which is too small. I may have to update the files on my site. As you can see, when adding the resized cockpit, I also opted to include some of the Danube's modularity, by making the cockpit capable of coming off. I guess now they can eject in case of a warp core breach?

Since taking the following pictures, I also built the Type-6 shuttle.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3119.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3119.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3120.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3120.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3121.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3121.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3122.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3122.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3123.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3123.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3124.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3124.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3125.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3125.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3126.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3126.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3127.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3127.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/th_IMG_3128.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/Shuttles/?action=view&current=IMG_3128.jpg)

[Paragon]

Bad news, I got what is typically called a "boxer's fracture", a break in my 5th metacarpal, in my right (Dominant) hand. This of course means a giant hold on any cardmodelling (unless I learn to be ambidextrous), both on designing and building. I'm sure you can imagine how frustrated I must be.

Believe me, I'm going to try working, I just expect to get frustrated and give up each time...

[lehcyfer]

Oops! This sounds awful :(

Now you have a great opportunity to train your left hand to become bihanded. As it is steered by right hemisphere, it will strengthen your creative, artistic abilities.

try to draw and write with it a lot everyday.

I've severed my Achilles tendon almost three months ago and am still walking with crutches - It was very frustrating, but gave me lots of free time - hence my return to modelling.

Try to find your own opportunity to grow in this situation.

good luck

P.S. I admire your projects and your sharing with them. You do a great things for all paper modellers. Thumbs up!

[Sidewinder81777]

Really sorry to hear that James, My hopes for a fast recovery go with you

Josh

[Paragon]

Well apparently even a broken hand can't keep me from modeling.

We'll see how well I can build it. I know I'll need to document it to make instruction, she's a very complicated build.

[Millenniumfalsehood]

Ooh, yeouch! Sorry 'bout the hand, Paragon. Glad to know its not a serious impediment to modeling. :cool: Still, I wish you the speediest of recoveries; hand injuries are the worst.

[jacberk]

Don't kill yourself man, but cardmodeling is most likely the best therapy! Heal fast and and well!

Jack

[Rhaven Blaack]

Bad news, I got what is typically called a "boxer's fracture", a break in my 5th metacarpal, in my right (Dominant) hand. This of course means a giant hold on any cardmodelling (unless I learn to be ambidextrous), both on designing and building. I'm sure you can imagine how frustrated I must be.

Believe me, I'm going to try working, I just expect to get frustrated and give up each time...
I am sorry to hear about your hand. I know what you are going through. I did the same thing to mine years ago, but I broke two bones. It was pure hell.
I hope it heals quickly for you.

On a good not though, I do have to say I greatly like your models. You do really good work. Please keep it up.

[Bones]

wish fast recovery mate...

[D-WHALE]

Hi James!
Sad story about your hand! but back to the Vulcan ships! The texture of the T´Plana hath looks really good! the critical point will be the upper side! I hope it will good fix together!

CU
Marko

[jones brandon]

HI Paragon . love what you are doing man! keep up the good work:). Sorry about your hand hope you get better!:) I will be uploading the uss griffin soon . love what you are doing.:):)

[pdmccool]

Unfortunately, I'm out of paper and ink. I have been for awhile now, I got by using the backs of printed sheets I decided I'd not build, on my family printer, which is now also out of color ink, and besides that, its an HP, and prints in that horrid water-soluble ink that always gets messed up once the model is done.

Paragon,

I have the same problem with my printer. What brand/type of printer do you normally use for printing models? I'd like to find a new one just for models.

Paul

[pdmccool]

Bad news, I got what is typically called a "boxer's fracture", a break in my 5th metacarpal, in my right (Dominant) hand. This of course means a giant hold on any cardmodelling (unless I learn to be ambidextrous), both on designing and building. I'm sure you can imagine how frustrated I must be.

Believe me, I'm going to try working, I just expect to get frustrated and give up each time...


ARRGH!!! With you out of commission, how will I get my regular fix of new Trek subjects????

Kidding aside, I am sorry to hear about your hand. What did you hit to break it?

[Paragon]

My typical printer is a Kodak. I've been very pleased with Kodak ink because its not water soluble.

[pdmccool]

Thanks for the printer info. Right now I'm stuck with a Brother all-in-one (I had it before I got into paper models) and aside from its paper feed issues, it has a frequent urge to streak and blur whatever it's printing, even on a fine quality setting.

Here's hoping your hand heals quickly,

Paul

[THE DC]

Hope your hand gets better, Master-designed!

Hate it when the Sansei in a bad mood!:eek:


The DC

[cuthbert]

Sorry to hear about your hand. Hope you get better soon.

[Paragon]

Finally, progress!

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3182.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3182.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3183.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3183.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3184.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3184.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3185.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3185.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3187.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3187.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3189.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3189.jpg)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/th_IMG_3190.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/strangename19/TPlana%20Hath/?action=view&current=IMG_3190.jpg)

I have to make some modifications to the model, and then sort the pictures of the build into instructions, but otherwise, its almost done.

[jones brandon]

Love what i see Paragon!!!!!!!!!:):)

[Bones]

nice paragon... i like it... awesome :eek:

[bf109]

your one great designer paragon

[lehcyfer]

Pretty ship. I'm glad to see that the injury is not impairing your hobby that much.

[Paragon]

Ok, good news! I finally got around to posting the T'Plana Hath! In addition, I've linked to a photobucket album showing each step of construction, to make things easier for you all, since it is a rather complex model, with a lot of oddly-shaped pieces that are hard to identify on your own.

I'm moving tomorrow, and figured it would be a good idea to post the model first, in case, god forbid, something happened to my computer in transit.

Enjoy.

[starship builder]

Nice paragon the teaxtures are amazing to

[jones brandon]

thank you man!:)

[Rhaven Blaack]

Paragon, You are doing a great job on this. I am amazed. I am glad you are able to still work on modeling with your hand in a cast.
BTW, How is your hand?
Good luck with the move. I hope everything goes smooth for you.

[pdmccool]

Good work for a one-handed modeler. <VBG>

Thanks for sharing, Paragon, hope your hand is better soon.

[jacberk]

Thanks so much, this is seer beauty!

Jack

[Bones]

thx paragon.. ur models are great... love vulcan line... :)

[Bones]

love vulcan ships... look at these babies ...

[kjev]

Why are Vulcan ships always sort of rust-colored?

K'Jev

[RodentMaster]

Because they're from a desert planet with high iron ore content and it makes them feel at home?

[widget]

Lowest bidder got the contract. It's all he had on hand.:p