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Old 05-08-2011, 09:19 PM
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Transparent Paper

This was brought to mind, by an earlier post that included the question:
"Anybody know where you can get clear paper from?"

I found this:

[Quote] Transparent Paper. Paper can be made as transparent as glass,
and capable of being substituted for it for many purposes,
by spreading over it (with a feather) a very thin layer of resin dissolved in spirits of wine.
Fine thin post paper is best, and the mixture must be applied on both sides
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Any thoughts on this?
Anyone ever attempt this?

My interest is peaked!...
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Old 05-08-2011, 09:31 PM
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From what I understand, some printers can't print on this unless it has a strip in the paper for the printer to detect it. Some of the paper manufacturers say it will work on all Inkjet Printers, some are for Laser. I don't know if it is absolutely transparent or highly translucent. I also did not know about it till you asked the question and i just spent 20 minutes researching it. So I am no source of wisdom on it, you peaked my interest in it too. Has potential for some cockpit glass issues and cars etc. This is a link I found some listed on. There also is transparent Vellum, which really is translucent.

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My shanghai tower model will require an outer transparent surface and I was thinking of using standard office overhead projector transparent 'paper'/film as it has a good thickness to it and I know can be used to print on (printer dependent i guess)

Will let know results when I try it
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:29 PM
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try velum paper or wax paper
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[QUOTE=airdave;212953]This was brought to mind, by an earlier post that included the question:
"Anybody know where you can get clear paper from?"

I found this:

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Transparent Paper
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. Paper can be made as transparent as glass,
and capable of being substituted for it for many purposes,
by spreading over it (with a feather) a very thin layer of resin dissolved in spirits of wine.
Fine thin post paper is best, and the mixture must be applied on both sides
Quote:
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Any thoughts on this?
Anyone ever attempt this?

My interest is peaked!...
This is an old thread from 2011 and I noticed no one responded to it with the real answer. This method comes from the old days when glass was not readily available and also was very expensive. Even in the late 1800's when the article that was quoted was published in a book there was still a lot of frontier territory in the USA where glass was not an affordable option due to the restrictions of transportation. Glass was not so difficult to get where the railroad lines ran but there was a lot of territory that was not yet covered by rail lines. A few of the wagon train pioneers carried a precious supply of glass but you can imagine the survival rate of that on the rough trails.

The resin they are talking about is not epoxy resin. It would have been lacquer, possibly in flake form or in small chunks. Lacquer is tree resin. To obtain the alcohol you could distill wine. Therefore the directions for using "spirits of wine" Nowadays we just call it "lacquer thinner". They treated the paper to make it more water resistant and the treatment made it stronger as well. The paper that treated this way would develop more transparency, a poor man's glass substitute. Paper windows were not that unusual in many of the Asian countries, we call them Shoji.

It's use in paper modeling? That's easy a lot of people coat their models with clear lacquer to strengthen and protect them. Now all you have to do is try using a suitably thinned coat and see what happens when you apply it to a piece of thin white paper. It will have to soak all the way into the paper. You might need a strong Japanese paper or cotton paper to make it work properly. I think clear as glass is an exaggeration but most certainly it will be nicely translucent.

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Old 03-14-2015, 07:44 AM
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Not paper, inkjet printable "Transparencies". Used for overhead projectors.

You can clearly see the transparency on top of the folder it came in. hint: check out the white strip at the top with the shark fin logo.
Transparent Paper-clear-1.jpg

A rotated view that makes it easier to see.
Transparent Paper-clear-2.jpg

I've had these for years, needed them when going to school to learn AutoCAD, think I bought them at the school library, or a survey supply store.

Recently found some with a sticky back to use for clear fins on some of my rockets that don't have fins to stabilize them. You can find all of these by searching for inkjet printable transparencies.

These are great for making clear canopies! Windows in buildings, Or to simulate propellers on airplanes.

Edit: Great White is made by International Paper-Memphis, TN.

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Not paper, inkjet printable "Transparencies". Used for overhead projectors.

You can clearly see the transparency on top of the folder it came in. hint: check out the white strip at the top with the shark fin logo.
Attachment 240863

A rotated view that makes it easier to see.
Attachment 240864

I've had these for years, needed them when going to school to learn AutoCAD, think I bought them at the school library, or a survey supply store.

Recently found some with a sticky back to use for clear fins on some of my rockets that don't have fins to stabilize them. You can find all of these by searching for inkjet printable transparencies.

These are great for making clear canopies! Windows in buildings, Or to simulate propellers on airplanes.

Edit: Great White is made by International Paper-Memphis, TN.

Hope this helps!

Mike
is that product on the market still? last time i looked for clear projector film that could be printed on it was $45 for 50 sheets
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:08 AM
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is that product on the market still? last time i looked for clear projector film that could be printed on it was $45 for 50 sheets
Try looking at a local college campus book store, even office supply stores. By office supply, mean business supply type, not sure you can find them at the big box "Office Depot" type.

I do know that several on-line cardstock supply places have it. As recent as two years ago I found one with same stuff but with "sticky" back for adhering to paper/cardstock.

Prints on this brand looked really good, clear no smudges, however you can see through the ink....

Haven't tried it yet, but Zip Dry glue will probably work on this. Waiting until Airdave releases a certain P-47 to try it on canopies....

Yes; this ten pack was rather expensive. But worth it for certain projects.

Google this: inkjet clear transparency film

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Don't think you would need the printable kind of sheet...do you?
What do you need to print on your clear parts?
oh, I guess printing some spinning props is a good idea though.

Other modelers have mentioned transparency sheets.
I think the point to using Transparency sheets, is that it is a lightweight flexible acetate.
Great for vacuforming canopies (?) and for making cutout canopies.

To make a cutout canopy, you need only to lay the clear sheet over top
of a canopy part print. In other words, print your model pages as normal,
and use the canopy part as a tracing template underneath your acetate.

But if its $50 a pack for printable ones...I won't be using them! lol

I love the idea of building a paper model with only paper.
But when it comes to anything with windows, this is a challenge.
Obviously plastic is not paper.
So what else can we do?
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:24 AM
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I love the idea of building a paper model with only paper.
But when it comes to anything with windows, this is a challenge.
Obviously plastic is not paper.
So what else can we do?
Go to a local hobby shop, buy tissue paper for balsa wood airplanes (Silkspan works best) and use "dope" to make it transparent.

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