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Old 01-18-2022, 08:44 AM
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On a side note, some of the posts here make references to wives and real people named "Flo" and Florence
as being the inspiration for "Flossy".
When in fact, many of the inspirations for nose-art and pinups
were well known characters from comic strips, books and magazines, and films.

"Fickle Flossie" was a very well known character name as a "bawdy house girl".
Bawdy Houses were houses of ill repute...brothels...dance hall clubs...and Fickle Flossie was a well known moniker.
Its more likely that "Fickle Flossy" (misspelled) was inspired by that "bawdy house gal".
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Old 01-18-2022, 12:37 PM
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its legit.
if you search out other artworks of the 366th, you'll see the quality.
they just lucked into a really good painter.

pinup artists had to enlist like everyone else.


My father was a sign painter before he became a bomber pilot (B29). He did do lettering on his own plane but not on others, he said he enlisted to fly planes not paint them.

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Old 01-19-2022, 01:23 AM
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Thank you very much for your information supplied Dave. It is interesting to see how drips of information take us closer and closer to the detail but never actually deliver a final result. I will fire off some emails in a few directions to see what I can find!

I still want to draw Flossy up as I think the artwork is very well executed and for an unusual subject.
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Old 01-19-2022, 08:20 AM
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yes, I have also started creating the noseart for a Fickle Flossy model.
In fact, I am considering adding both, the Razorback and "III" bubble top to my P47 collection.

But until I can verify the serial number and squadron codes, the model won't be published.
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Old 01-23-2022, 03:11 AM
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I have messaged a Facebook P-47 group and they have come up trumps. There is a book apparently on 366th FG history “The war we fought " and one of the member has confirmed the pilot was Captain James Fogle. Even better than that codes used on his Jug was A8-N. Serial number 42-26340. This is for the first Flossy! Interestingly on the 336 association web site there is another image of Flossy 1. So there is one paper model for you . . . .
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Old 01-23-2022, 03:18 AM
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I then got information from the same person who had done the looking up that he believes he has an image of the second Flossy when deployed to Y-29 in December44-January 45. (Asch Advanced Landing Ground). This picture shows a natural metal Razorback with new text on the hull of the aircraft, but the person sending the detail suspects that the cowl from the first Fickle Flossy has been transferred to this aircraft, hence the white band on the engine cover where the artwork sits. It sounds right as I do know of this practice from other aircraft. So we also have a natural metal version A8-F serial 226340.

Interesting . . . .
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Old 01-23-2022, 08:45 AM
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Sorry, but the original Fickle is not 42-26340.
That serial is assigned to a P47D-22-RE model.
Flossy 1 is a 15-RA model.


This I confirmed first, from the photo I posted earlier,
and because that serial number is mentioned a few times on the web (as being Flossy).

What I did confirm (earlier) is:
366th Fighter Group
-389th FS A6
-390th FS 8L
-391st FS A8

366th have No tail symbol.
White cowl, white tail strip, no apparent wing bands.

I am making the assumption that Fickle Flossy was part of 389th or 391st FS.
Squadron code would be A6(389th) or A8(391st).
Aircraft code unknown at this time.

Known codes:
A6-A Ready for Takeoff
A8-M Mary Prechua
A8-O Peg o My heart
A8-V King Bee

Your photo does not confirm that Flossy 1 was 391st, code A8-N.
It can't be seen in the photo.


And the serial is still wrong.

............
I am also concerned about the metal skinned Flossy in your second photo.
I've seen this one before.
They were often multiple uses of the same name across various aircraft and aircraft types.
Personally, I think this is a different Flossy...and not Flossy 2.
We have no proof this is Fogle.

a. the paint style is completely different, which is odd since the same painter painted Flossy 1 and 3?.
*although the font style on Flossy 1 and Flossy 3 has changed...so I reserve judgement on this point.
b. the 391st switched operations to the Pacific, which is why Flossy 3 looks as she does. The unpainted finish is a giveaway.
*a date is needed to verify since the 391st moved to PTO in March 1944.
c. the cowl paint and tail stripe don't match 391st colours (which is white cowl band and white tail band. No wing bands).
*I have plenty of photos of other 191st aircraft to verify.
d. you can't transfer serial numbers to new aircraft... so if nothing else, this photo verifies that Flossy 1 isn't 42-26340
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Old 01-23-2022, 09:01 AM
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With a little cleanup, your photo of Flossy 1 confirms Lt. Fogle as the pilot.
Its hard to read, but its obvious once you know the name!

I can't make out the Crew Chiefs or Mechanic's name.
One could refer to a Squadron personnel list and match them up.

..........
To be honest, I think I've exhausted the available info.
We are relying on photos to verify serials, etc
and we still need to find a clear photo of Flossy 1 and 3 to do that.
But those photos may be non-existent.

Even if we accept that Flossy 2 is A8-F serial 226340, it doesn't help verify anything about Flossy 1 or 3.

I still haven't seen a photo verifying A8-N for Flossy 1, so that doesn't make sense
...if the assumed Flossy 2 is A8-F. (Flossy 2 being the replacement aircraft)
Unless 42-226340 is a different aircraft not with the 391st.
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Old 01-24-2022, 05:28 AM
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Indeed it does seem to add confusion to the situation as we can clearly see the project number and type on the airframe, though the last character after the "R" is not visible so we have to assume "E" or "A" don't we??

Whilst drawing it up it struck me that the same panel could have been transferred across all three airframes, the last ones we have of Flossy 3 show a band on the front that is not in alignment with the panel and also there is a possible residual paint that has not been fully polished off to the left of the legs. It's all very intriguing! I will see what else I can find as I continue my search.

It's drawn up but there is a little more distortion correction to do and a re-think of the colours but it's looking something like me thinks. It's drawn as vector art so I can do almost anything to it to get the shape.
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Old 01-24-2022, 09:55 AM
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It looked like 15-RA to me.
It depends on the factory that built them...the newer factory in Evansville is RA , not RE.
But thats not really as important...its the 15 that is clear.

...
hey I got me a flossy noseart too!!
been sitting on the artwork for quite some time
...as I said, until I can confirm the actual aircraft facts.
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