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Old 07-09-2018, 03:42 PM
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Nieuport 11 in 1:33 AND 1:100

When I was a young boy in about 1959 BC a company named Aurora came out with some fairly well detailed biplanes from the first "Big One". My Fav by far was the Nieuport XI (11 for you kids too young to know what Roman Numerals are).

No idea how many of these I have built over the years. I rigged them with black thread, did the best I could with the decals (the decal positions were molded into the plane --- they never lined up properly).

So fast forward to 2017 or so. I had known about paper kits for a while but really hadn't looked closely. I bought this and a Sopwith Pup with all the bells and whistles (resin wheels and a "former" set). When they came I was a little shocked at what was involved.

So I found this place and realized that I had a LOT to learn. Now after about 8 months I have decided to give it a try with a little twist. I will be building this and a 1:100 version in parallel!

Now I need to draw on the collective wisdom of this place. What do I do with these formers? Do they replace the paper parts (The interior is actually printed as a separate piece)? Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Also here is a link to a free Google book about the Lafayette:

https://books.googleusercontent.com/...bA_QWFPo27gCX4
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:51 PM
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Laser cut formers are to be glued to corresponding colored parts with parts number in RED.Otherwise you would have to do all the fine cutting by yourself.Hard and tedious task hence laser cut parts.They come handy.

I did one KK model (Hurricane)and never again.about 4 times too many parts for no reason at all.It felt like designer was paid for number of parts made regardless if they are seen or necessary.Sorry for a bit of rant...
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:13 PM
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Seriously you will be a 1/33? Did you ever say that they were an eyesore? If someone is forcing you to build that, tell your cousin Guido haha.If it is a joke, it will be interesting to follow your construction, 1/33 has many pieces, once I tried to build one, I was saturated and bored, too many pieces, here are many guys who do wonders with these "giants".
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:21 PM
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Laser cut formers are to be glued to corresponding colored parts with parts number in RED.Otherwise you would have to do all the fine cutting by yourself.Hard and tedious task hence laser cut parts.They come handy.

I did one KK model (Hurricane)and never again.about 4 times too many parts for no reason at all.It felt like designer was paid for number of parts made regardless if they are seen or necessary.Sorry for a bit of rant...

Yes I get that part. What about the fuselage sides? It seems to me that if I use them the fuselage will be too wide. The sides will be double thickness without the laser cut parts. These seem superfluous to me.

Thanks for your help.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:47 PM
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I found entire thread with build of this model:

WWW.KONRADUS.COM - FORUM MODELARZY KARTONOWYCH - [Relacja/Galeria] Nieuport 11c.1 "Bebe" Kartonowa Kolekcja 1/33

Edit-same model,different builder.

WWW.KONRADUS.COM - FORUM MODELARZY KARTONOWYCH - [R/G] Nie do końca dwupłatowiec, czyli Nieuport 11c.1

Many,many useful pictures and it's Polish forum so Google Translate entire pages
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:56 PM
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Sheesh, talk about leaving your comfort zone!
I wish you luck with this 'baby' (there's a REALLY witty and clever joke there).
Interesting to see how many unused bits end up in the bin on the 1/100 version.
BTW, at what stage are going to admit on here about attempting (and failing) to scale down the resin bits?

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Old 07-09-2018, 04:59 PM
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I found entire thread with build of this model:

WWW.KONRADUS.COM - FORUM MODELARZY KARTONOWYCH - [Relacja/Galeria] Nieuport 11c.1 "Bebe" Kartonowa Kolekcja 1/33

Edit-same model,different builder.

WWW.KONRADUS.COM - FORUM MODELARZY KARTONOWYCH - [R/G] Nie do końca dwupłatowiec, czyli Nieuport 11c.1

Many,many useful pictures and it's Polish forum so Google Translate entire pages
Thanks. No luck with the G translate. Will mess with it tomorrow.
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Old 07-09-2018, 07:03 PM
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the Nieuport XI (11 for you kids too young to know what Roman Numerals are)
Not to be pedantic, but the Nieuport XI was a whole 'nother thing, a pre-war racing monoplane.

Nieuport Nieuport-XI

To my knowledge only one was built before priorities changed. Shame, too - she's a looker.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:42 PM
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... the laser cut parts. These seem superfluous to me.
Serendipitous that you should bring up this particular Kartonowa Kolekcja (KK) N11 model, as I'm currently building two versions (the kit and one repaint). The kit parts are an excellent fit, and I personally appreciate the cardboard frames - they give a wonderfully solid feel to the models.

The N11 was/is a very small airplane, so in 1:33 it's still relatively small, being about the size of the Fokker DR.1. In that regard, here's an example of just how diminutive these WWI birds were

Nieuport 11 in 1:33 AND 1:100-dr.1-vs-f-4-size.jpg

As an aside, I was so impressed with my first KK kit (the PUP) that I also bought the N11, Fokker D.VII, Fokker EV, Sopwith Pup, Sopwith Camel, DH.82, and Zero ... along with their laser cut frames. Also, many 1:32 accessories are available for Paper Model non-purists.

The KK designer has a new model that is supposed to be out this week - if it's WWI, I'll be getting it for sure!

EDIT: The new model is an Israeli Modified Cobra -- Bell AH-1F "Tzefa". Up your alley, Michael!

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So a little progress today with the accent on little.

I am really enjoying this kit. The "tactile" feel of this pre printed kit is really nice. Spoke on the phone with a real Gentleman who gave me some excellent advice from one who has been there with this kit.

This is almost like a pls#$%@#teeq kit once you get all the "puzzle pieces" cut out. It will take me a while but I am enjoying this immensely.

As I cut I try to imagine what it must have been like to climb into one of these tiny birds on a foggy morning and lift off for a mission. When I went for my SE Asia vacation I didn't go for any real political reasons. I just wanted to fly. If I had been 18 in 1915 I would have stepped up ASAP and volunteered for these guys.

OK enough rambling. Back to my scissors.
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