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Old 01-02-2020, 12:51 PM
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F-4 Phantom vs F-8 Crusader images

This is one of the hotest topics in Vietnam air warfare - who was the better interceptor
of the two. This is only a starter.
Attached are images of the two side by side in 1: 48 Scale.

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Old 01-02-2020, 02:16 PM
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The crusader at the time was the better dogfighter imo. she could launch sidewinders and had the 20 mm canon. the canon however jammed when subjected to some vigorous turning dogfight maneuvers but when it came down to knife fight in a phone booth the gun armed crusader usually faired better than the f4. chance vought had numerous upgrades planned for the crusader but by then the phantom was firmly entrenched thus the F8 became the "last of the gunfighters" for the navy.
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Old 01-02-2020, 09:48 PM
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Dear CMDRTED - I know the F-4E that served long years at the IAF and in total shoot down 120 Arab fighters.
As a pure interceptor the F-8 is more nimble and ligther. The F-4 can carry the radar guided sparrow while the F-8 not able. The Phantom had another pair of eyes from the navigator . The Crusader 4 Colt 20 mm guns had a nasty jaming froblem in high g
and almost all the kills were made with Sidewinders. The NAVY phased the F-8 from service in the late 1970's and the RF version until 1987.
The Phantom served in USAF until 1996 and many are in hold with private owners while no Crusader is in a flight status today.
In the French NAVY the Crusader served some 35 years until start of new milenium !!!
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Old 01-03-2020, 05:45 PM
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F-105 and F-4 - the two work horses in Vietnam

I srarted here a topic about these two excellent fighters that were the main types in the war over deadly north Vietnam Sky and as always some images of the stars and in the next chapters facts about the two and more comparitions.

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Old 01-03-2020, 11:00 PM
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F-4 Phantom vs F-105 Thunderchief

It is not an easy task to compare between the two.
We are talking about the rolleing thunder operation 1965 - 1968 period.
The Phantom was the right plane at the right time as was the F-105.
As the phantom served in 3 units - USAF NAVY MARINES there were more Phantoms in the war theatre than any other fighter.
The F-105 was built in a much lighter scale of 860 from all types and only the D and two seatters were in Vietnam.
No less than 395 where lost due to all reazons. The 105 was the heaviest single engine fighter with 25 ton onboard and the J75 delivered 12.5 ton thrust with water injection ! - the F-4 had two J79 engines with 14.5 ton thrust for the same weight !
In low level flight no one could outrun the 105 !
A speed of 600 knots when bumbing and 750 knots after bomb release in afterburner
When flyning escort the F-4 where always lagging behind the F-105 .
As the F-105 was the main bomber in Vietnam with 75% of the strikes the North Vietnamese where throwing everything they could against - anti aircraft guns from all calibers from 37mm to 100 mm SAM 2 missiles were used in high numbers and migs . Later in the war a groups of wild weasels were originated to deal with the SAM threat. The F-105 had a kill ratio of 1.2 in his favore against the mig -17 while the F-4 had 2:1 ratio against all types but only 1:1 against the mig -21 !!!_
The F-4 had a black smoke coming from the engines ( solved in 1973 ) after Vietnam war -something that made identification easy but could carry AIM 7 Sparrow missiles guided with radar but the F-105 had from the start the vulcan 20 mm gun with a barrel of 1069 bullets ( the F-4 E recieved later a Vulcan with 600 only ) !
The mach 2.0 ability of the two was useless as most of the time speed is subsonic during a battle !!!
Will continue !!!

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The F-105 should have been an A-105. It was really a tactical nuclear attack plane designed to internally carry nuclear ordnance. Thus it was not maneuverable like the Phantom. In Vietnam it was used as a bomb truck mostly. You see video of a whole squadron dropping dumb bombs like it's WW2.....
And there was a wild Weasel version used to carry anti radiation missiles against SAM 2 missile sites .

A little trivia..
There are auxiliary air intakes for the engine in the main landing gear bay to feed extra air on take off at max power...

Fun projects Yair. Keep it going



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Old 01-04-2020, 01:41 PM
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Nice to hear from you - as it winter here in Israel it is very satisfieing to build paper models. I will continue to do comparitions
as all my models in 1:48 scale.
Are you still member with the Dayton museum ?

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Old 01-04-2020, 10:18 PM
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Nice to hear from you - as it winter here in Israel it is very satisfieing to build paper models. I will continue to do comparitions
as all my models in 1:48 scale.
Are you still member with the Dayton museum ?

Yair
Yes, I still volunteer at the Air Force museum in Dayton. However, I'm not there now. I will return in April.

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Old 01-05-2020, 09:42 PM
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Hi Isaac - thanks for the update . I wish
all of us a happy and productive 2020 !!!

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Old 01-09-2020, 05:05 PM
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F-4 Phantom vs YE -152

The YE-152 Flipper as it was called by NATO code name was a development of the Mig -21 with two engines of 6 ton each.
The body was slim and long and the aft part was widened to whole the 2 engines arrangement. The Phantom had also two engines and performance of both are close because the Russian YE-152 is much lighter.
However the big difference lies in the fact that the type was only a prototype while the Phantom was a great fighter produced by more than 5000 units !!!
TheYE-152 is from Mali model arz from the 1960 's and is in a 1:48 scale as the Phantom.

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