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Old 04-04-2020, 05:13 AM
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Blackburn Buccaneer 1:48 vs F-4B Phantom 1:48

The Buccanier had many similarities with the Phantom. They first flight took place in April and May 1958 !
The British F-4K variant had the same Spey 202 turbofan engine but with an after burner .
Both didn't have a gun only missiles. The load capacity is of 7 ton in both !!!
In low level attack the buccaneer is head and shulders better.
The Phantom is better at height with supersonic speed and radar guided missiles which the Buccaneer can't have.
The Buccaneer shape is more pleasing at least to me with more streamlined shape.
The Buccaneer is a plane that was developed from the outset to the low level attack while the Phantom became a multirole fighter which is a compromise as it is not perfect in any role while the Buccaneer definitely is for it's mission.
Some more images of the two side by side.

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Old 04-04-2020, 05:19 AM
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Remark - the Spey 202 turbufan was only installed in F-4K RNAF
version of the Phantom but it served with Buccaneers on the decks of British carriers as Ark royal and Hermes.

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Old 04-04-2020, 12:14 PM
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Blackburn Buccaneer MK 2 vs SO 4050 Vautour

The Vautour first flight took place 6 years before the Buccaneer in 1952.
At that time no other nation had such a plane as the Vautour - 3 types in one plane N - INTERCEPTOR A - day fighter B -bomber .
The service of the Vautour in France was lukewarm to say the least while in Israel It had a very active one and proved it's value in the Six day war where it reached long distance Egyptian airbases such as Luxor and destroyed all the TU-16 Badger bombers that parked there.
The Vatour lasted until 1972 in the IAF . The Vautour main problem was the heavy maintenance of 15 hours per 1h flight .
The Buccaneer was designed from the outset for a special low level sea mission and saw active mission at the First Gulf war where it served as a laser designation plane withe pave spike pod for the Tornado planes.
As far as performance are concerned the two are close in speed of 0.9-0.95 mach and climb between 12k -15k feet per min.
At height the Buccaneer had sluggish controls while the Vautour was excellent but at low level the Buccaneer was much better suited for the low flying conditions and was a much better ATTACK platform as well as more stable due to the shorter wings.
The Vautour had 4 x 30 mm guns which were very effective against all kind of targets while the Buccaneer only carried sidewinder much later.
The Buccaneer was phased out after the first Golf war in 1992 and some air
frames doubled the 3000 hours given by the manufacturer.

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Old 04-04-2020, 04:32 PM
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Blackburn Buccaneer 1:48 vs SO 4050 Vautour images

The Buccaneer has a crew of two and the Vautour attack version has a crew of one pilot only. The Vautour fuselage is narrow compared to the Buccaneer which utilize the area rule. The engines bays are mid wings in the Vautour and in the fuselage sides in the Buccaneer. The wing span of the Vautour is almost 3 meter wider something that is good for high level fly and not low level.

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Old 04-05-2020, 02:03 PM
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Buccaneer vs Super Etendard

Both were evolved for the same mission - that of low level attack of sea targets.
Among the two it was the SE that gained much more fame due to it's success in the Falkland war in 1982.
The Buccaneer participated in the first gulf war but was not so highlighted and remained somewhat shadowed.
The SE was adapted to carry the deadly exocet missile that gave him a powerful weapon at the time.
In pure performance the slim shape SE is faster in 120 kph at low level clean and much more at height where it is supersonic.
But the Buccaneer had an internal rotating bomb bay that the SE lack can carry more weapon and it is more stable at a very low level flight at sea.
To sum it each plane has each advantages and disadvantages and they come even here.

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Old 04-05-2020, 10:31 PM
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Buccaneer vs Super Etendard

Attached are images of the two.
The Buccaneer is a much bigger plane and has a crew of two vs only one in the SE. Main reason for that is the more advanced computerised systems that were
installed in the Super Etendard as the precise nav attack INS system and the Agave radar optimized for sea operations.
The Super Etendard is Fly Model 51 thatcame with the Harrier model as well while the Buccaneer is Gary's.

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Old 04-07-2020, 01:47 AM
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Blackburn Buccaneer vs SO Vautour vs F-4B Phantom

The Buccaneer is a heavy fighter weigt around 20 ton when loaded
the Vauour is also 20 ton when loaded but Phantom is 25 ton when fully loaded and is the heavy weight champion here !!!
In terms of load carry capacity the Buccaneer and Phantom are cleared with 7 ton each while the thin wings Vautour with only 4.5 ton is lagging behind.
The Phantom served until a year ago in the JSAF while the Buccaneer was retired in 1993 and the Vautour in 1977 in the Armee de La air .
Some images of the heavy trio all in 1:48 scale.

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Old 04-07-2020, 03:23 AM
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I sometimes wonder what the Bucc could have been with some updates. Nice builds mate.
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Old 04-26-2020, 05:42 AM
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Hi Mike - the Buccaneer was a good platform for upgrades as the laser designation
plane carrying the laser gun pod in the 1st Gulf war but most of the planes were
accumulating lots of flying hours so it was not practical to do so.

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Old 05-02-2020, 02:52 AM
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Blackburn Buccaneer 1:48 and the IAF

In 1964 two IAF pilots went to test the Buccaneer MK.2 to check if the plane is suiteable to the IAF requirements. They made a test flight and found the Bucc very responsive and powerful at low level but slugish in response at above 20 k feet height - so they were not recomended on it.
They also checked the option to replace the weak Atar 101E engine of the Vautour with the Bucc RR spey 202 turbofans but due to cost issues it was never done.
Two what if's are coming to mind here : If bought by Israel how the Bucc was performing in the IAF in the coming Six day war and attrition war .....
Had the RR spey engines were intalled in the Vautour what were the benefits in performance....
An history that we can't tell ....

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