Ethics of model design choices. - Page 5

**herky** · #41 05-12-2018, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by airdave

Trying to sell "I Survived the Titanic" T-shirts
while the rescue boats are being unloaded?

** "What is too soon?" This would make a hilarious thread!
Relax, its called Gallows Humour.

i have one that says ""any news of the iceberg"""

**airdave** · #42 05-12-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by herky

i have one that says ""any news of the iceberg"""

Funny...if it happened today, the environmentalists would be asking about it.
"Our thoughts go out to ice everywhere!"

"ice-me-too"
what? too soon?

**herky** · #43 05-12-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by airdave

Funny...if it happened today, the environmentalists would be asking about it.
"Our thoughts go out to ice everywhere!"

"ice-me-too"
what? too soon?

its seems the swimming pools on here still have water in them

**herky** · #44 05-12-2018, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by airdave

Funny...if it happened today, the environmentalists would be asking about it.
"Our thoughts go out to ice everywhere!"

"ice-me-too"
what? too soon?

mmmmmmmm i wonder how a gallows humour thread would last on here.will give it a go one day.''Artists "": can be very touchy folks.Will keep it out of this thread

**Rata** · #45 05-14-2018, 04:52 PM

Interesting and thoughtful discussion here.

Looking at the later posts here confirms what I've been thinking for a while: it's balancing respect and humor that will ultimately be the best for humanity. NOT trying to accommodate at all costs the sensitivities of 7.6 billion people.

**John Wagenseil** · #46 05-14-2018, 05:49 PM

Is it OK to build a Ford Pinto paper model?
Ford 1971 Pinto Sales Brochure
Would FMC or Pinto owners or Pinto victims be offended?
How does the model builder best protect potential viewer(s) from psychological harm?
Are memories of the Pinto tragedies still too close in time to display the model without trigger warnings?
Does a model of the Pinto serve as a memorial to bad engineering practices or as a memorial to Pinto victims?
Is it hurtful to FMC?
Probably the only solution to the model building ethics conumdrum is to build in secret and keep finished models hidden so there will be no chance of inadvertently causing someone somewhere distress.

**Vermin_King** · #47 05-14-2018, 06:41 PM

Since Ford is getting out of building cars except for the Mustang and Explorer (is it really a car?), I don't think it will hurt sales

**Rata** · #48 05-14-2018, 08:21 PM

Case in point.

Keep up the good work people!

**whulsey** · #49 05-24-2018, 01:11 PM

Bummer, that's one of the Pinto brochures I don't have.
Did a rebuttal to the Pinto hysteria in one of my marketing classes. The one on the Newport Freeway (55) happened due to the car stalling in the center lane and the driver instead of trying to get off slammed the brakes on. She was rear ended by a full size car going around 50 when it hit.The kid (driver's nephew) involved knew one of the people I worked with at Sears Auto Center and used to come in occasionally. He usually wore a full face veil since his face had been burned so bad. The other big case was 3 girls in Indiana I think. They'd just got gas, and when the driver realized she'd left the gas cap on the roof stopped on the road to retrieve it. A stoner in a van carrying drugs hit them. From an engineering standpoint, the final conclusion was the Pinto wasn't really any worse then the other sub-compacts in class and some were worse such as early VW's when they were hit in the front. From a legal standpoint the biggest fault was Ford had become aware there was the possibility of a fire. In a cost analysis, the bean counters decided that any payouts for accidents would be less then the cost of fixing the problem...and they got caught. Sort of like GM with the early Corvair. Not that it was that bad a car, no worse then other cars with swing rear axle such as VW, some Mercedes and M151s. With the rear suspension upgrades in 64 and completely new design in 66, the problems were fixed. But instead of pushing that, they hire a detective to dig up dirt on Nader...and they got caught. If there's anything Americans love more then a good scandal, it a bad scandal against a big corporation.

Back to our regular scheduled thread.

**CharlieC** · #50 05-25-2018, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by John Wagenseil

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Probably the only solution to the model building ethics conumdrum is to build in secret and keep finished models hidden so there will be no chance of inadvertently causing someone somewhere distress.

No way.

You are not responsible for the feelings of others. In effect by creating such a design you are exercising your right to free speech guaranteed in your Constitution. If someone attempts to impose their will on your lawful communication they are infringing on your first amendment right - I know this even though I don't live in the US. There are quite clear guidelines establish by US Supreme court decisions on the limits to free speech.

The debate in this thread is a reflection of how far western societies have accepted the rhetoric of the looney left about identity politics and all the rest of idiotic, intellectually empty claptrap we get peddled by the media and people who should know better.

Personally I think a good Pinto model would be deliciously ambiguous - is it a memorial to the cremated?, an example of corporate greed over good engineering?, a monument to the ultimate supremacy of the legal system to right wrongs?,...

Charlie