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Old 04-24-2019, 09:00 PM
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Fly They Must, not Turn to Dust

Airplanes have been designed to fly. Not sit on the ground, or stuck on a pole.

I love looking at "old" airplanes. One of the coolest was a really old Cessna 140. Notice the N-number? It was before the USA made an agreement with foreign gov'ts to who could use what letters and numbers. NC means this airplane is original from the day it was airworthy, before the agreement.
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Photos taken on Orcas Island, WA, part of the San Juan Islands, far mountains in the distance: Canada


Talking with the owners was a great learning experience, they were the third owners, how far they had traveled to use it as a camp vehicle for Memorial Day weekend 2017. Original never been restored from the 1940's.


They flew it half way across the country! Part of the agreement with the second owner was to use it.

Here in Kenai, get to see everyday:
C-46 Commando (best part is hearing it)
DC-4 Fuel hauler like the C-46
DC-6 Fish hauler that stops in two/three times a week (have several "big" fish processors locally)
DC-3 from Anchorage stops by once in awhile. My mechanic did the annual on it this year, right after finishing mine on the 2nd of March.

The sound of these old birds is incredible! The C-46 with its twin P-47 engines wins! When they do a short field take off, the sound is incredible!

Can't hear that in a museum!

I love going to museums, my favorite plane is the SR-71 or M21 Blackbirds. Sure miss seeing them in the air!

The owners of these older aircraft spend tens of thousands+ to maintain them. They have to find items that are gone from existence.

Then by mandate they have to have their airplane inspected by an AP/IA every year. They find stuff wrong by thoroughly checking the engine, prop, frame, everything, they also check another thing called an AD, the plane can be grounded until the item on the AD is correctly complied with per the AD, if it hasn't already been fixed per the AD.

I feel if the owners want to fly them, they should! Those warbirds take million$ to buy, more million$ to upkeep. In June here in Kenai the BT-13 will return and give rides around the airport.

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Old 04-25-2019, 01:02 AM
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Tragic loss of life.

I'm a bit amazed the N9M lasted so long. The Northrup wings seem to have had some very nasty flight characteristics if you got them near the stall. I don't suppose we'll ever know but I wonder if the B-2 with active flight control has more predictable and safe stall characteristics or does the computer control ensure the thing never gets into the stall regime.

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Old 04-25-2019, 01:24 AM
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So, Aaron, do you plan to make one for nostalgic reasons?
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Old 04-25-2019, 12:07 PM
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Thought about it. Unfortunately it was on my list of planes I need to see in person to work out some problem areas,
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Old 04-25-2019, 06:45 PM
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The loss of life is tragic, and I'm glad nobody on the ground was hurt.

they are still high-performance aircraft. The men who were flying them back in World War II were guys in their 20s who had quick reflexes.

Some of the older guys who got in the cockpit over the past few years may have racked up hundreds or thousands of hours of flight time, but they're still old guys flying planes built for the reflexes of a 22-year-old.
The young pilots you speak of have lots of electronic knowledge, how many have stick and rudder time in an airplane that uses cables, and pushrods?

The safest pilots are older ones.

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Old 04-25-2019, 10:46 PM
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The young pilots you speak of have lots of electronic knowledge, how many have stick and rudder time in an airplane that uses cables, and pushrods?

The safest pilots are older ones.
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I'm gonna halfway agree. Some of us "younger" guns have stick and rudder time, too, while now days you can find older pilots with very little stick and rudder time. As an instructor, I can tell you that I hope I know when it's really time to hang it up. Some people don't know when they should. That said, physical problems can unexpectedly strike younger people, too, and it doesn't "sound" like that is the problem here.
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... on my list of planes I need to see in person to work out some ...
Hmm, interesting, in one of the browsers I employ the words "work out" are blue colored underlined hypertext link which goes to workout equipment on Walmart's website, but on the other they are plain black text.

Instead of hovering pointer over link to see where it went, I expected it was put in by Murph to go to a post somewhere telling about the specific parts he needed to see; but, what it was was crass commercialism. Oh how I loathe and resent the deceptive souls who pulled that little stunt - who were they, my ISP? The website server owners? The Paper Models forum owners themselves?

Ahh, now I see ...

Because I have autism and several neurological and endocrine things going on I run several blockers, and especially a GIF blocker, (those accursed flashy flickery things are truly the unholy spawn of Hades) to cut down on the number of things happening on web pages, or the pages would be sensory overload and I could not use most websites.
Yeah, who would have guessed that different company's browsers would have differently detailed add ons.
So, one is blocking VigLink and one is not.

Here's full text of that link: and hovering over it turns out to tell you nothing after all because its true destination is buried so far down such a mass of character salad it is too far down the line to show in display at bottom of windows.


Edit - interesting how the thing refuses to display the full 5-line length of that link - so, the deception continues, eh?
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Hmm, interesting, in one of the browsers I employ the words "work out" are blue colored underlined hypertext link which goes to workout equipment on Walmart's website, but on the other they are plain black text.

Instead of hovering pointer over link to see where it went, I expected it was put in by Murph to go to a post somewhere telling about the specific parts he needed to see; but, what it was was crass commercialism. Oh how I loathe and resent the deceptive souls who pulled that little stunt - who were they, my ISP? The website server owners? The Paper Models forum owners themselves?

Ahh, now I see ...

Because I have autism and several neurological and endocrine things going on I run several blockers, and especially a GIF blocker, (those accursed flashy flickery things are truly the unholy spawn of Hades) to cut down on the number of things happening on web pages, or the pages would be sensory overload and I could not use most websites.
Yeah, who would have guessed that different company's browsers would have differently detailed add ons.
So, one is blocking VigLink and one is not.

Here's full text of that link: and hovering over it turns out to tell you nothing after all because its true destination is buried so far down such a mass of character salad it is too far down the line to show in display at bottom of windows.



Edit - interesting how the thing refuses to display the full 5-line length of that link - so, the deception continues, eh?
It is all discussed in this thread, and a method to eliminate the links from your end.
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Aaron, I shot some photos of it at a show a few years ago. They might answer some of your questions. A few more at link: https://whulsey.smugmug.com/Airplane...Paso/i-v66tZmD
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Old 05-08-2019, 11:24 PM
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Hi whulsey,

Those photos are fantastic. Thank you for sharing them.

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