Fiddlers Green Could be in trouble

[gomidefilho]

Friends

The issue of piracy is always worrying and I think many designers have lost incentive to pursue new models to see your work stolen, and it's free or commercial.

Looking at these pirates boards that is out there (in my country unfortunately there are some) I notice that something is happening, and I think that comes from the struggle that the modellers have done against piracy. Of the new models of the FG since last year for example, never seen any pirated much less ECardmodels, and I think this is the result of the initiative to intimidate these people. Alias some of new models are stolen from major publishers (halinski, GPM, etc.) which demonstrates a new fact: people are realizing it is more expensive to print and assemble a set format of the backup is not even close to the original printing . I may be too optimistic, but maybe we are slowly beginning to change some attitudes.
As the pirates themselves, I'm all for people with problems, but poor for at least materially, are no good and do not accept poverty as an excuse (although the concept of poverty vary from country to country. In Brazil there is absolute poverty, that people do not have roof or food and there are thousands, eating garbage and living off the rest. So as a poor man who can not afford 2 to 8 dollars per one template or a little more, have access to computers, internet, print? Poverty as a justification for theft is a bit tricky to be maintained...

I did not talk about piracy of freebies, but I think a collapse and a failure so great that the designer is not worth being mentioned, I think the best word for those who pirate free model is a parasite.

The substance of the FG models. I think Chyp has models to suit all tastes and some replicas are beautiful when construidas.Os cartoon style models are gradually being replaced by better models, for beginners and even hobbyists who want to take a simple model based and makes it complex and sophisticated means of extra work, really like the Boeing 299, Model 40 and Sykorsky S 38 and S 39 other model is the great Ju-52. I see no sense in discussing the merits of the quality of the models, the fact that one of the pioneers of the publishers market paper models can be extinguished ...

I wrote to the Chyp suggesting the creation of a software such as Gremir Models, which to me is the ultimate solution to combat piracy, or identify their customers better. I think the suggestion of unifying the scales is good WSAM such a system is confusing ...

Well that's it I apologize for the long post and thank the patience of those who read this answer ...

[cgutzmer]

Originally Posted by consistseeker

I don't know if a personalized pdf with an individuals name printed on it would be the answer. How about a password protected pdf with an individualized serial number printed in the corner which could be traced back to the individual who bought the model.

this is a great solution BUT WAY too manually work intensive to be practical. If I had to do this manually for each model I sell in ONE DAY I would spend hours in front of the computer. Passwords are also not a solution - there is not a pdf password that cant be cracked in just a couple hours tops.

I would respectfully ask for people to not discuss ways to combat piracy in public. This simply lets them know possible things to look for. If you seriously want to help fight piracy let me know and I will get you involved in my group. Anyone is invited to participate, this includes designers, sellers and anyone else even if I dont carry their designs or they own competing business's.
Thanks
Chris

[Zathros]

Originally Posted by consistseeker

I don't know if a personalized pdf with an individuals name printed on it would be the answer. How about a password protected pdf with an individualized serial number printed in the corner which could be traced back to the individual who bought the model.

With ADOBE CS3and a couple other tools, you can remove any security from .pdf files. If you can open it, you can unlock it. This is the same problem with DVD, Music etc. if you can read or hear it, you can copy it. One could just print the files, white out any numbers or watermarks, scan and poof, copy done. It's pathetic but true. Being poor is a lame excue because if you were poor you wouldn't have internet access, a computer or printer.

[Blackronin]

I agree with Chris about not talking methods in public.
I'll refrain from doing it. To any action there is always a counter action.
If you want my small help, Chris, I'm here to help you.

As for being poor not being a reason I guess that people who said that don't know what being poor is all about. Maybe you should investigate first and then speak up.

But I've been working in some very poor countries and I can give you some clues:

Children toys:
Making a beautiful car with a shoe box (very hard to find), wire and rubber for the wheels. The car wheels will turn left and right with a very ingenious drive wheel all made in wire.

I gave classes in a school of war orphans. taking them outside to make drawings was a very happy moment. We draw and cut and glue very simple 3D houses painted with very bad watercolors.

In a catholic mission I printed dozens of free cars and we cut and glued them in a week of pure happiness. One of my students send me a letter with a photo of him with his family. In his hands he showed the car we made. That was 3 years after I was there.

There are very few computers in the poorest countries in the world and fewer people who can operate them. That shouldn't be the reason not to help.

The pirates aren't making money with these people. They are making money with people that live in the rich countries and that are getting used to buy cheap or not paying for the work of others.

It's a cynical position the one that states that being poor is not a reason for this or for that. Now after less than 20o years we think that slavery is a horrible thing and unacceptable. I hope that in 200 years our descendants will think that absolute richness and absolute poorness is a shameful thing and unacceptable. But that's just me saying.

[cgutzmer]

Of course you can help out you know where to find me!
Chris

[Zathros]

"As for being poor not being a reason I guess that people who said that don't know what being poor is all about. Maybe you should investigate first and then speak up."

Your post made my point. I said being poor is a lame excuse. That is the reason I have seen people give this rationale in various forums. These same people using a computer, having an internet connection, say they are poor and they cannot afford to buy models so they get the pirated copies to print out. I can guarantee you that a person who is truly poor never pirated a model as they would not have the means. A person who is poor is not the same as the person who is poor in spirit.

I grew up in a household of 8 children. When my father died I was 4 and the eldest was 12 years old. My mother never went on welfare and worked 16 hours a day for most of the time I was growing up. That is how I learned paper modeling. I could not afford toys so I made my own. I watched other kids play with plastic plane models and I made paper ones that really flew. I made my own bicycles out of the junk other people threw away, I never owned a new bike till I purchased one when I was 17, I had already been working for 3 years but I gave all my money to my mother to help with the family, we all did. So I say again, saying that you are poor is a lame excuse for pirating models. The truly poor do not pirate models and should not have to bear that burden and endure a preconceived stereotype.

I tried to infer earlier that Christ Gutzmer seems to have found a formula that works so maybe F.G. should study that, to remain viable.

[D-H]

Hi all, busy busy day... RE: Pirates on ebay.co.uk

HMS EXETER PAPER CARD MODEL SHIP KIT [replica] on eBay (end time 23-Feb-10 18:28:04 GMT)

If this isn't a pirate then I do not know what is! I particularly "like" his disclaimer...

"(please note these are not the originals. They are high quality replicas of the original products)" ...One wouldn't like to be caught misrepresenting products on ebay!

Incidentally it's a ship I would really like to build so my irritation is double. It's really got my goat. Do we contact Ebay? Do we contact the seller?

David

[rickstef]

send him a message asking what he means with the replica tag
and also ask him to send you a picture of the original kit if he has it

if he can't then he is a pirate, and then you can report him to ebay

[Phil]

If everyone who posted on this thread (including myself) put this much energy into commenting on PAPER MODEL BUILDS, this would be a much more wonderful place.

[Blackronin]

If you see the other products he's selling, he's selling a lot of replicas.