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Old 03-23-2017, 08:22 PM
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And BTW, Bruno's jetliners usually don't come with undercarriage, so the ground equipment don't fit in for good looking display. I always have to scout around for the
proper u/c or anything close to put on the 1/300 (changed to 1/200 always) models.
Anyway, don't take it as an offence to Bruno's wonderful designs.

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you could get some 1;300 scale bricks,stand the aircraft on them and tell people someone stole the wheels like they do with cars
just kidding im with rich that 1;72 and 1;100 would suit most modellers
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How about some 1/300 scale Jack Stands?
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How about some 1/300 scale Jack Stands?
thats the lines i was thinking along.
on a serious note i got some british airways and bea/servisair steps awhile back at 1;100 scale.cant remember where from though so cant share link
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I know I'm pretty inconsistent when it comes to scale, but I do it because I don't know how to determine the scale in Rhino. That's why I set up the scale conversion chart.

If you want reference material for an aircraft tug, we use an old small aircraft tug to push dead buses around at work.
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:07 AM
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Length divided by Scale = Scale Length

Its pretty simple to work out a rough scale.
You start by looking up the actual measurements of the real aircraft.
Based on the length of the real thing, you reduce it by dividing its dimensions by the scale you want.
Then produce the model with those dimensions.
This is important, because many builders prefer to build in a specific scale.
Or at least matching scale, so their models display properly side by side.

If you don't know the actual dimensions before you start designing, how can you be sure
all your dimensions, wingspan, length, height, etc, are all in the same scale and are consistent?

............
I did an old style Tug in the older Airfield kits.
It could easily be reduced to 1/72, repainted, and included.
I'll just add one or two more recent/modern Tugs to balance things out.

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Well, this discussion died quickly?! lol

Anyway, I'm going to go ahead and work on a new Diorama Accessories kit.
I am aware there is already a fair bit of stuff out there...tugs and other ground equipment.
A lot of it for free, if you hunt around.

Thats okay...I like the idea of another package of multiple models along a similar theme.
I also have my own style, and preferences.
And my earlier Diorama Accessory kits have sold well.

I think I'll design at 1/100? and include basic reduction percentages for printing at smaller scales,
as well as a guide for printing larger.
I was going to work at 1/72 scale, which could be easily reduced to 1/100 and smaller,
but if the models are too complicated, they will not be buildable at micro scales.
(At least not by the average builder)
I need to work at the smaller scale to keep the designs simple enough.

What say you to that?

I've already started working on one vehicle model.
Got a few photos and already got some drawings started.
My biggest problem is understanding the actual measurements and dimensions
so I can get the scale sizes right.

Many times I use Wheel sizes to judge scale in photos.
I can often look up actual dimensions of some vehicles, but knowing a standard 15" road wheel helps determine other measurements in a photo.

That hasn't worked so far (with airport vehicles)!
I have photos of two similar Tugs (Tractors) that, from a glance, had the same types of tires and wheels on them.
Some relative comparison was helping me sort out actual dimensions.
But after some analysis, I realized the wheels were extremely different in overall size and diameter.
I'm guessing one Tug had 20" wheels...and the other might be as much as 26" wheels.
And this made things difficult again.
I need to know the exact Tire size, and Wheel Rim dimension on each vehicle to use it as a scale reference.

If i could find photos that show the tires clearly, I can often get tire and wheel dimensions off the sidewalls.
But thats pretty rare.


I usually need to find the manufacturers specs on the vehicle
and thats not so easy with these airport vehicles.
I can get current specs, on current models, on manufacturers websites...
but not for older models.
So, when suggesting a type of vehicle or accessory, can you suggest an actual manufacturer and model.
Maybe even the year it was produced and any other info that would help me track down the proper specs?
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at 1;100 they would suit paper replika which i build most of so thats me happy.
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No, it hasn't died down but as you were busy with the Saladin, I didn't bother you then.
Try Mercury GSE at Airport Ground Support Equipment | Airplane Tug, Aircraft Loaders & Tow Tractor | Airstarters, Ground Power Unit & Air Conditioners | Mercury GSE or another one TLD GSE TLD GSE - Ground Support Equipment
I'm sure you'll get loads of info and pics there.

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Good stuff on those sites.
Plenty of ideas to choose from.
Hard to get specs though.
Unless its brand new stuff, with sales brochures.

I might just genericize the designs.
Maybe not try to recreate an exact model and make?
Create obvious vehicles, but using multiple design elements.

I was on the TUG website and found a nice new Pushback Tractor.
Complete with all the dimensions.
So, I am going to give this a try as my first1/100 model.

This small scale is proving to be a challenge for me.
I have to think at 1/100 when designing
...and think about how much simpler the design must be (to be buildable).
Even full 3D wheels and tires will be difficult at this scale.
I'll probably stick with flats.

This TUG Pushback has the biggest 60" diameter tractor tires.
But at 1/100, thats only .6" diameter!! 15mm!

And then I also have to consider at even smaller scales
...after the models have been printer reduced to 1/144, 1/200 and less.
An even bigger challenge!
lol
Hopefully this will be a fun challenge too.
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Good stuff on those sites.
Plenty of ideas to choose from.
Hard to get specs though.
Unless its brand new stuff, with sales brochures.

I might just genericize the designs.
Maybe not try to recreate an exact model and make?
Create obvious vehicles, but using multiple design elements.

I was on the TUG website and found a nice new Pushback Tractor.
Complete with all the dimensions.
So, I am going to give this a try as my first1/100 model.

This small scale is proving to be a challenge for me.
I have to think at 1/100 when designing
...and think about how much simpler the design must be (to be buildable).
Even full 3D wheels and tires will be difficult at this scale.
I'll probably stick with flats.

This TUG Pushback has the biggest 60" diameter tractor tires.
But at 1/100, thats only .6" diameter!! 15mm!

And then I also have to consider at even smaller scales
...after the models have been printer reduced to 1/144, 1/200 and less.
An even bigger challenge!
lol
Hopefully this will be a fun challenge too.
you could always do some 1;48 to keep the hercs company
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