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Old 08-05-2018, 04:15 PM
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So...if you needed to build a little (1/100) scale model of a Container Loader
would you like it to be raised (fully extended) to fit a taller aircraft,
or maybe halfway lifted just to look interesting...
or lowered, ground level as if mobile?

No...you can't have a ton of parts giving you several options.
And no, it can't be articulated to allow for actual lowering/raising.
It would just be too complicated to build at this scale and smaller.
And, it wouldn't fit within my simplified style.

I don't want to turn this into an "advanced" build.
I'd like to keep it as simple as possible, fewer parts, and easier construction.

The model is at a stage where I have become very frustrated with it.
Its still far from any sort of completion and what you see in the photo below is still full of necessary changes and adjustments.
I've spent way too much time on this so far and before I spend any more time,
I need to settle on a final arrangement for the vehicle model.

I had thought about providing two options...extended and lowered.
But the first problem is how "extended"? since Aircraft are all different height.
Should I even bother with any extension? Just leave the platforms lowered?
Even with Containers, the vehicles don't drive around while raised.

And the scissor lifts are the biggest pain.
What I have right now, is not very accurate...and extremely flimsy.
I tried to add cross bracing, but its not like the real thing.
Its the simplest thing I could come up with, but I don't like it.

Anyone interested ...thoughts?

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Old 08-05-2018, 07:36 PM
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I would say raised, then the modeler could "manufacture" their own way of lowering
it to their desired height.
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Old 08-05-2018, 09:02 PM
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No problem either way. But the vehicles appear a little boxy.
Looks like the collection of the GSE (ground support equipment) is growing,
just love to see that.

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Old 08-06-2018, 07:13 AM
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Obviously a "skilled" modeler can alter anything, regardless of what I offer.
They might not even bother with my design, and scratch build something.

I design for the beginner to intermediate modeler who just want to build the kit as intended.
So I'm not going to design models with the expectation of alteration or modification.

As I tried to explain, choosing an extended/raised position would rely on knowing exactly what aircraft the vehicle was servicing.
So, would a midway raised position (like what I've shown on my prototype) be the better option?
It appears like the platforms are in the process of being raised/lowered.

Omitting the scissor lifts, and fitting the loading decks directly to the vehicle
gives you the lowered/mobile position...?

What about this configuration? Main platform raised to the height of the docking platform?
Eliminating the front scissor lift altogether?



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No problem either way. But the vehicles appear a little boxy.
What do you mean papermate?
This vehicle or all the models I've done so far?

This, is a very boxy vehicle.
Obviously the Loader is incomplete (no railings, drivers cab, etc),
but the base chassis/vehicle is very flat and boxy.

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Include the Scissors Lift supports as an Option; the Modeler can adjust the height of the Lift as needed by trimming the supports in the Center, then butting the pieces together?

IMHO it looks just fine...

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Old 08-06-2018, 09:00 AM
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Agree - include the scissors lift. This will make it come alive in a diorama.

The height I do not think matters. I would build it as supplied, and whether the platform lines up or not does not matter - it is in the process of going up or down as far as i am concerned!

Also cannot see making o0ne for each type of aircraft, just to the platform level (if you know what I mean).

And Dave, the version you show is A1!

And boxy? Well, they are boxy!!
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:03 AM
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I know you said you are looking for one answer, Dave, but I think Kevin and Viper Pilot have a good idea. The only extras would seem to be the scissors (although I may be speaking from ignorance, as is often the case) and the modeler could then have the two best options: a vehicle in the rest position and one that can be deployed with an aircraft (as Kevin sez, if the platform is partially raised, it can represent a mechanism in motion and is suitable for any situation, except the rest position).

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Old 08-06-2018, 10:21 AM
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okay...so "raised" as Texman says...but not fully raised.
Something like I already did then? ...half raised, in the process of raising, etc

In fact, I am going to remove the platforms from the basic vehicle.
If you want fully lowered, just build and attach the platforms to the top of the vehicle.

To have them raised, I'll create a redesigned scissor thingy for each platform which you install underneath.
Different heights (like the one I already did).

allllllllrighty then!
Its about time I move along...get off this vehicle...and move on to something else!
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:32 AM
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Sounds like a satisfactory solution to me.

Now, the Koolwheelz version . . .

With a racing stripe.

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Old 08-06-2018, 12:15 PM
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okay...so "raised" as Texman says...
So if "raised" was not sufficient, how about,

In it's full, vertical, upright position?
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