AirDave's Kool Wheelz Collection

[airdave]

I am sorry



...that you made your way into this thread and felt the need to comment on my design.
Next time, just stay away and don't make veiled accusations, and we won't have a problem.





...
Its 2018...time for a new Monkey!

[Rhaven Blaack]

Originally Posted by airdave

I am sorry



...that you made your way into this thread and felt the need to comment on my design.
Next time, just stay away and don't make veiled accusations, and we won't have a problem.





...
Its 2018...time for a new Monkey!

Again, I have not made any kind of accusations (veiled or not). I just made a simple comparison. It was you that decided to make the leap and read something in there that was not. So again please point out where I made any kind of accusation?

[Vermin_King]

But why didn't you compare it to a viper? Chris, when he was designing models, will take something like the Viper, then take the design as far away from that design as possible while still being recognizable as the inspiration. Dave's model is clearly a viper, yet you didn't compare it to any of the Viper models out there.

It's a shame that this function doesn't have the functionality where sub-forums can be moderated. Then you wouldn't have been tempted to stir the pot, because you have earned the privilege of being blocked. But since we don't have that functionality, we have to put up with this hoo-hah

[Rhaven Blaack]

Originally Posted by Vermin_King

But why didn't you compare it to a viper? Chris, when he was designing models, will take something like the Viper, then take the design as far away from that design as possible while still being recognizable as the inspiration. Dave's model is clearly a viper, yet you didn't compare it to any of the Viper models out there.

It's a shame that this function doesn't have the functionality where sub-forums can be moderated. Then you wouldn't have been tempted to stir the pot, because you have earned the privilege of being blocked. But since we don't have that functionality, we have to put up with this hoo-hah

My intention was not to stir the pot. I was making a comparison to the actual design of the model and that it shared a striking resemblance to someone else's design. Had I intended to make any kind of accusation, I would have come right out and blatantly made it. Like I have mentioned, before, I do not mince my words, I do not elude or imply anything. I know that Dave's model is clearly a Viper. So is the other model that I compared it to. Anyone that has any knowledge can clearly see that.

[Vermin_King]

I apologize for misconstruing your post. Have a great new year

Now, back to appropriate comments.

[airdave]

There is a massive difference between saying
"your model looks extremely like a BSG Viper"
and
"bears a striking resemblance to someone else's design".

I feel your post was clearly an implication of design plagiurism.
Obviously, thats how it was read by Vermin King, and then by me.
Sgoti commented in there too...I got the impression he had the same idea, but I won't speak for him.

And again, since my model template has yet to be published,
and I've only posted the one photo of the finished model,
how and why would you compare the "designs" at this point?...I don't know.

So, we're back to our history and my history with zealot, etc.
We are obviously not the best of friends.
Out of the blue you post this in my thread.
Based on our history why are you even following my work?
This stinks of "stirring the pot" to me too.
It also stinks of an attempt to discredit me (at least with regards to this model).

Thats the way it looks.
Theres your explanation.

Can we move on now?

[Rhaven Blaack]

Originally Posted by airdave

There is a massive difference between saying
"your model looks extremely like a BSG Viper"
and
"bears a striking resemblance to someone else's design".

I feel your post was clearly an implication of design plagiurism.
Obviously, thats how it was read by Vermin King before me.
Sgoti commented too...I got the impression he had the same idea, but I won't speak for him.

And again, since my model template has yet to be published,
and I've only posted the one photo of the finished model,
how and why would you compare the "designs" at this point?...I don't know.

So, we're back to our history and my history with zealot, etc.
We are obviously not the best of friends.
Out of the blue you post this in my thread.
Based on our history why are you even following my work?
This stinks of "stirring the pot" to me too.
It also stinks of an attempt to discredit me (at least with regards to this model).

Thats the way it looks.
Theres your explanation.

Can we move on now?

It is quite clear to me that you have not read a single word that I have posted. I have never accused you of plagiarism. If I were to have, I would have blatantly come right out and done so. I do not elude or beat around the bush. Your model does indeed bear a striking resemblance to someone ebble's design. It is like comparing a Mitsubishi Eclipse to a Ford Probe. There was a time where they had the same body style.
To be honest, the only reason why I popped in this thread was by accident. I saw the Viper and was curious. My curiosity was satisfied. Not only that, but you have nothing that I would be interested in in the first place. Your models offer me no real challenge. As for me discrediting you, I have not reason to do so.
So get over yourself.

[MacSongLi]

Originally Posted by Rhaven Blaack

I find it interesting how your version looks just like Crotale IV by Ebbles Miniatures, Minus the paint job, of course.

If this isn't an accusation, I don't know what is.

Why did you hijack this thread?

Please stop this.

Gary

[Vermin_King]

Give him a little credit. He feebly tried to be clever about it. He'll do better next time.


And I'm sure there will be a next time. Unfortunately

[airdave]

On a completely related and refreshingly different topic...
[in other words, lets try to ignore him]

I started a Koolwheelz model of the Cylon Raider a very long time ago.
At least a couple of years back.
Its the one craft from the original BSG that I really really liked.
I owned the first Monogram(?) model kit back in the 70s?80s?.
Its one of my first attempts at airbrushing weathering on a plastic model.
I basically added a lot of thruster and weapons burn, smoke trails etc.

I kept that model for years and finally sold it on eBay around 2000.
Wish I hadn't now.

Anyway, when i decided to do a miniature paper Raider, I had no clue how to recreate its concave/convex compound curvy shape
Say that three times fast.
Especially as a miniature one sheet, low part count model!
And my efforts failed terribly...I locked it away in the "may never get done file"

I even took a look at Aaron Oddball Murphy's Raider kit for some sort of inspiration.
I never built his kit, but he seems to have the complicated shape sorted.
Unfortunately it didn't help me design anything simpler.

With the creation of the Viper model, I started messing around with the idea again.
My method generally starts with making my own line drawing of the stylized model.
I basic create side views, top views, front and back, etc
From this I extrapolate the parts and structures I need to design.
This usually all starts from some brain fart or major epiphany on how to model things.



With the mention of Ebbles models yesterday, and after taking a look through their free models,
I see they have a Cylon Raider type model called a "Trilateral Union Reaver"
At least, I think it looks like a Cylon Raider.



It never occurred to me to do the angled, boxy, triangle approach
and give up completely on the curved surfaces.
Had I seen this before, I think I would have taken this approach.

I'm still trying to make a curvy surface work.
But if this latest design doesn't work for me, I will rethink the flat angular surfaces.

But heres my biggest problem....
I really think the scale of the Raider should be in line with the scale of the Viper model.
yes or No?
The problem with that is, the Raider model will be way too big for a Koolwheelz model.

The Cylon ship is about a third longer than the Viper.
Something like 35 foot (Raider) to 27 foot (Viper).
And the Raider is supposed to 45 feet wide.
I doubt even my simplified model can fit onto two sheets at that scale!?.

Point is...I would have to make the Cylon Raider about half the scale of the Viper model.
They would be similar dimensions as a model, making them way different in real scale size.
Is this a reason NOT to bother with this model?