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Old 08-26-2016, 02:37 PM
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N3n-3 navy basic floatplane trainer

OK, I am being greedy. I know I recently asked if anyone might be interested in designing a model of a designed but never laid down class of battleships. This request is much closer to home. Has anyone ever seen an N3N-3 up close and personal? While attending the US Naval Academy in the late 1950s (the Army calls it Canoe U), we were required to become proficient in that string and bailing wire contraption. We had a flying fleet of about 20 and another 10 which were used as parts bins (they stopped building them in 1039). It was not what you would call a hot pursuit ship; you took off at about 40K, landed at 40K and you might get 90K out of it in screaming dive. Take-offs were not bad. We would taxi down a ramp on a wheeled dolly, with the help of a half dozen sailors. Once we were afloat, 2 men would swim out and release the dolly and haul it back up the ramp. When taking off, You had to keep a nose high attitude to make sure that the nose of the center float did not contact the water. This would cause an abrupt stop (usually upside down). Landing was a white knuckle experience every time. When you got down to the last few feet above the water, you had to come to an almost nose high stall. As soon as you felt the drag on the rear of the float, you had to ease off the throttle and keep the nose high until you no longer had enough speed or lift to keep it there. If you dug the nose in at 40K, you were going to seriously hurt (cartwheels are not things you want to do in a flying kite). I am sure the instructor in the back seat had whiter knuckles than we had!! I am also sure that he had his hands on his set of controls and and was following every move we made. I was fortunate; I got the "I have it" call several times during the training sessions, but never in "white knuckle" mode.

So now you know the background why I would like very much to see a model kit designed. I have a number of official Navy photos from different angles and I also have a specification diagram that should have all the measurements that a designer would need. If anyone is interested, I will post the pics and the specs in this thread.

For those of you who are not familiar with the aircraft, it is best described as a PT-17 with floats.

Thanks for listening (I know that I am a motor mouth).

John
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Old 08-26-2016, 03:49 PM
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The Naval Aviation Museum at Pensacola has one on display.........here is my drawing of it.
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Old 08-26-2016, 04:07 PM
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Wow!! That is as good as a photo! Would you mind if I download that and add it to my collection of pictures of the aircraft? This one looks like the one that use to hang in USNA's old armory building. The Smithsonian Museum took it back. The only pictures I have are of a steed that was "rode hard and put away wet". Yours shows her in all her glory! Thanks for posting that.

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Old 08-26-2016, 05:20 PM
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I might have to get in on this one. It does meet many of the requirements: WWII, Yellow, My local air museum has one (wheeled version), and according to wikipedia, it was also used for fighting forest fires.
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Old 08-26-2016, 05:57 PM
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Murphy,

I'll work on getting all the stuff scanned this weekend and get it posted by sometime Monday. I have grandkids promises to keep this weekend.
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Old 08-26-2016, 06:51 PM
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nice the wheeled version is in palm Springs!
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we got an airworthy one here locally.
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Old 08-26-2016, 10:15 PM
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The Navy sold them all right after I graduated for about $400 per plane. On my 2/LT salary, I had neither the money to buy one or transport one anywhere. I really wanted to buy one!
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Old 08-27-2016, 09:04 PM
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Me!Me!Me!Me! Interwar floatplanes are some of my favorites of all times
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Old 08-27-2016, 09:06 PM
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I definitely want one
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