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[Zathros]

Chad, I wouldn't buy Rhino till they have the bugs all worked out for Mac's, or whatever they want to call these P.C.'s that use OS X. If you were on a P.C., you could have been playing with Rhino for the last decade!

Also, If you use the "Project" Command, having selected the object's properties to the color you wish, you could then project the colored lines onto any surface you wish, as show in the attached picture. Just another way of doing the same thing in Rhino, which is what makes it so great.

Allen, as usual, your modeling is so excellent, beyond all reason really. Knowing that it can be done in paper boggles the mind!

[chad]

1st I want to agree that yes Allens work is great. Even though I personally prefer the functional models, I really love seeing this kind of thing especially in my favorite Anime subject 707. It's just amazing to see submarines made out of paper much less made in a 3d program. That's cool! Also thanks for the lesson in how to project a texture on to a surface. Is that how you did it allen.

As for the Rhino OSX issue. I actually didn't buy it! It is free for anyone who uses a mac and fills out an online application. The idea being that we who are mac users and do 3d work will be able to give feedback on all kinds of issues while its in dev. Also I would imagine that since it is a ground up reconstruction of the rhino platform and new to Mac users that they have vested interest in making it a solid product. So I doubt it will matter which platform you use it on once its finish, but like I said it was free and will remain so, until it is completed. If there be a mac user out there in paper land who would like to join the party, just visit this link.

Rhino OSX

Fill out the application and you're on your way to fun fun fun.

Oh and as for the whole mac v pc thing. I switched from windows based pcs 7 years ago long before the whole iPhone explosion. It's funny though, I've never met anyone who went from a pc to mac voluntarily and decided to go back, whereas I have met tons of people who have dropped their windows pc for a mac. However, with that said I realize that they are not for everyone. If you want to be able to customize the crap out of your pc a windows machine is your friend. Oh and I do run both windows and OSX on my mac very well, but only because they do not make 3ds max for osx yet, which btw is what I do all my 3d work in. Although I do want to switch to Rhino once it is finished so I can chunk my windows7 partition.

[Zathros]

In the production environment, Mac's are useless. It is quite easy to run any antiquated, up to modern CNC machine off of a P.C.. I have seen shop owners literally drop kick Mac's out the back door. Mac's used the THE name when it came to graphics, but their market share speaks volumes as to the reality. I have never seen a person on a Mac actually make something with it. I have seen some incredible artwork done, but have seen the equivalent done on P.C.'s, so that is no longer an issue. My next door neighbor does the layouts for major magazines and websites. Accorsding to her expertise, Mac lost the edge years ago.

Life is short. As you get older, you realize how short it is. The fact that you have to go to Windows to do these simple kinds of things shows the time's wastin'!! Do whatever makes you comfortable. I have no love for Micro$oft, but none for Apple either. P.C.'s run all the productivity software I have ever needed, Mac's never have. They sure are purdy though, and if I was sitting on the beach, or in a bookstore searching the web, then why would it matter, unless they don't play flash video, then that's just ridiculous. Besides, you are on a P.C. now, you just have a software which limits what you can do. If you switched 7 years ago, then you missed XP, and all of it's iterations and have gone through numerous OS updates. This machine I am typing on is 7 years old. I built myself. It runs Rhino 4.0 and has a 64 bit processor in it. It also runs Windows 7 easily. It has been extremely easy to update, as the video card now 1G's of video Ram and it has 8G's of Ram. 4 Terabytes of Hard disc space. I have three computers. I have just purchased a Laptop for my son, but the other one I built 3 months ago. You can't build a Mac. If you could, I would have given it a shot. That is my gripe with Apple, I cannot build the P.C. of my choice, and configuration.

In any event, I showed you another way to Project lines onto a surface. If you group that line, it will unfold with the surface, in case you did not know. Also, make sure that the window in which you are commanding the project is active, or you will miss the target. You can do panel lines like this, as well as line drawings.

[goodduck]

Chad, I only project lines on my models. Don't have Flamingo, so I can't project texture. And I don't want to buy Flamingo without knowing for sure if texture will unfold with the surface it projected on.

I was Mac, then I meet PC, and I said: Where have you been all my life, Baby? XOXO! And I never went back. I only wish I have 4 terabytes on my laptop...... :(

[Zathros]

Chad, I programmed, operated, and designed tooling for 4 axis CNC machines for almost 10 years. I also fix electronics to component level. The first machine code I spoke was APL in 1973. Mac's are now running on the same P.C. hardware that Windows runs on. It's just switches, O's and 1's. Rhino isn't being designed specifically for Mac's, it's just that Apple had to switch to the Hardware that all P.C.'s use, which then made ii feasible for McNeel to do Rhino for Mac's. You have it a little backwards. Also, paper modeling deals with a medium which bends for the most part in one direction. I used to make motorcycle fairings, from scratch, did a lot of repair on fiberglass sailboats, and designed and flew my own R/C planes. With a chunk of fiberglass and a power sander, and some time, you can sand fiberglass into any shape.

McNeel is using you to work the bugs out of their program. This is a corporation just like any other. I also have 3dsMax. It is unintuitive compared to Rhino. There are so many programs that have passed you by, and games too.

McNeel operates this way. Why not? Users figure out the bugs, and when they have them all ironed out, they will call in Rhino 5.0 I started with 1.0 and paid the change all the way up, disgusted that each previous version will not read the newer ones proprietary code. Rhino 4.0 will not be able to read Rhino 5.0 files. This has been the scuttlebutt, also since I just spoke to McNeel today, and they are no sure if Rhino 5.0 will even be out within a year for P.C.'s. They said they have no idea when anything compatible with Mac's will be out. I wouldn't be be too confident about a working, stable version for Mac's anytime within the next year. The problem with that is, another year passes you by, working on a platform that is incompatible with most of these type programs.

If you are serious about doing modeling with Rhino, dedicate a P.C. to it. They sure are cheap enough. You could spend $500 bucks on a machine that would be more than adequate to run Rhino. Get a KVM switch and you can go back and forth seamlessly. My sons ACER AMD quad 4 laptop with 512mb Video Memory and 6 G's of Ram runs Rhino great! You'll have more muse buttons you can play with too!

[goodduck]

Got the hull skin all cleanup ready to unfold when I have time. The frame are well on their way, still rough tho, not ready to unfold yet. Still need to do a little fixing mostly at the aft where the fins are. I'm sure the frame looks over kill, as usual. I'm just trying some new frame design, new way of doing things that's all. It still got long way from being done, long long way to go before I sleep. .......... second thought, I going to bed now. I'll deal with it again tomorrow.

[goodduck]

...... and a few more shots.

[chad]

Let me first say, I didn't intend for Allen's forum to become a place to discuss this topic so I apologize for that. You guys hit the nail on the head. Macs are better for graphics. I am a graphic designer who is only recently getting back in to the 3d world. I have a degree in motion graphics ie 3d animation, but not in solid modeling with CAD like software. There are so many things we could go back n forth on regarding this topic. Let me just say this. I have seen over these 7 yrs many people be very passionate about pcs and macs, but one thing I have concluded, when we are dead neither pc nor apple will have applauded us for being their champion, so like you said use the machine that suits you best. I am certainly enjoying windows 7 more than previous version I have heard that don't run well. So Kudos to Windows for building a solid OS. Oh and I do love Rhino, and since it's free for now, I am loving that it will take a long time to finish because that means more time for me to use it on a mac for free and to learn.

[goodduck]

Deck done, more eye candy. Took longer then I thought would be, but I feel the need to redesign the ribs. Think I iron out the bugs. Forgot some detail on the hull fins, Get them done then I can start unfold everything.

[chad]

Allen,

You're missing one thing I noticed on the conning tower. The U with the star in it. I am including a pic of it for you to use. This is looking Un-B-Freakin-Leavable!! Seriously! You must have butt loads of time to make this so detailed. I wish I did.

Oh and I dropped a little update on my 707 model. Forgive the graphic style. I was playing with the render features in Max. PS if anyone is interested in a model of my boat. I will be making them available for sale. You included Allen. They will cost in the ballpark of about 500 and be made from plastic about an 1/8 in thick at about 22inches long. Obviously for use as an RC conversion. If you are interested in a smaller version I could work something up for you too, but not sure what the price would be yet.

Ps to anyone interested there will some day hopefully sooner than later be available to purchase from HobbyLinkJapan the junior minisub version from the anime movie of submarine707R. It is retailing for about 60.00. So if you're a fan who would like a nice little 10 inch plastic model then click the link I added: PSS this is not the comic book version. Again it's the newer version...I included a pic for this too.

1/48 PKN Submarine Junior | HobbyLink Japan