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Old 03-12-2022, 07:13 PM
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1/600 USS Pope - US flush-deck destroyer

My next design is a Clemson Class flush-deck destroyer, USS Pope, DD225.

The Clemsons were designed and built during WW1 in large numbers and were mothballed at the end of that war in lieu of scrapping. 50 of them were lend-leased to the UK before the US officially entered the war. The US still employed a few of them at the start of WW2, rapidly taking them out of service or converting them to mine layers, mine sweepers, fast transports and aircraft tenders as more modern units became available.

I am using drawings discovered by Foute Man as the basis. I imported the drawings into TurboCAD, resized them for 1/600 scale and locked their layer, so I do not change, move or delete the drawings while I develop my model.

I built up the hull using the deck plan, outboard profile, and cross sections as a guide. I find that the cross-sections are not necessarily to scale with the deck plan, so I modify them to fit the deck plan and profile. The design waterline (DWL) is my baseline.

I place the revised cross-sections along the "keel", then loft between them to create the basic hull shape. Lofting is a feature of 3D design software that creates a solid from two or more surfaces (my cross-sections). Sometimes the lofting produces solids that are wrong, in which case I start with a solid block and "carve" off pieces until the part looks OK. This happens frequently at the bow and stern.

The attached views (1-6) show the model as of today. The emergency cabin at the top of the bridge looks a bit odd, but it conforms to the drawings.

Pics 7 and 8 are screen shots from TurboCAD. They look chaotic, but there is a method to the madness.

Wayne
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1/600 USS Pope - US flush-deck destroyer-6.jpg   1/600 USS Pope - US flush-deck destroyer-7.jpg   1/600 USS Pope - US flush-deck destroyer-8.jpg  
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Old 03-12-2022, 08:22 PM
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Hooray! I've been waiting for the flush deckers.

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Old 03-12-2022, 11:05 PM
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More progress late in the day. There aren't very many more parts to this model. A searchlight platform, a .30cal MG, depth charge rack and a DC projector, masts.

The model is also quite small, just over 6 inches long.

Don - does the bridge look right? It still looks weird to me.

Wayne
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Old 03-13-2022, 08:19 AM
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Very nice! It is also neat to see a glimpse of your design process. If I might ask, what version of Turbocad do you use? (Not that I need to try and pick up another new skill)

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Old 03-13-2022, 04:43 PM
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some pics:

1937

http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/pix2/0522517.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/pix2/0522516.jpg
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Old 03-14-2022, 08:29 PM
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Very nice! It is also neat to see a glimpse of your design process. If I might ask, what version of Turbocad do you use? (Not that I need to try and pick up another new skill)

Doug
Doug, I am using TurboCAD 2020 Platinum.

Wayne
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Old 03-14-2022, 10:21 PM
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More progress on the 3D model - masts. Still need small boats and davits, machine guns, depth charges.

I downloaded drawings for DD230 as it was in 1940, which show the modernized bridge structure. I will revise my 3D model accordingly. DD230 in 1940 also shows re-arranged main armament. The stern 4" gun is mounted on the aft deckhouse and the 3" AA is mounted on the quarterdeck.

I printed out the major hull parts and made a test fit. The stern needs to be rounded more and the deck at the bow needs to be revised as well for the anchors. Otherwise, all seems to fit. There is no straight section of the hull at the waterline, so the hull sides are separate parts.

Wayne
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Old 03-15-2022, 11:23 PM
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I have encountered a bit of a snag. In revising the DD225 bridge to the WW2 configuration, I have used drawings for DD230 in 1940. In comparing DD225 in 1920 to DD230 in 1940, there seem to be significant changes in what I would consider basic layout. The midships structure with the two 4" guns is 4 1/2 feet further aft and the funnels are spaced differently. I know there are sub-classes of the flush-deck destroyers, but these two were both Clemson Class. I am going through my reference books for clues.
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Old 03-16-2022, 07:31 AM
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Good luck with your research Wayne, and thanks for the info on your CAD software.

Doug
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Old 03-16-2022, 07:57 AM
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Some pics from Warships International to compare with: DD-224 USS Stewart 1940, also built by William Cramp & Sons
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