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Old 11-12-2015, 09:43 AM
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No copyright would exist for the originals. The request for donations was for the fact that the original set was won on ebay for a tidy price and the person wanted to recoup some of the cost (if I recall, he also had to pay for large format scans once he got the models).
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There were six different paper models of warships in 1/200 scale, designed by Ing. E. Zwalgun, published by Dr. M. Matthiesen & Co., Berlin,
eleven models of army material in 1/20 scale, by the same Publishers
and at least 25 models of german and allied aircraft in 1/33,3 scale, published by the NSFK (Nationalsozialistisches Flieger-Korps).
A) Navy ships, scale 1/200
Modellbogen im Verlag Dr. M. Matthiesen & Co. / Berlin SW 68
Sammlung naturgetreuer Nachbauten deutscher Kriegsschiffe.
Herausgegeben mit Genehmigung der Lehrwerkstatt der Kriegsmarine
für Schiffsmodellbau, bearb. von Ing. Emil Zwalgun. Maßstab 1:200
Bestell-Nr. 1101 U-Boot (740 t) (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Spätere Auflage: U-Boot (740 t) und Schnellboot (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1102 Schwerer Kreuzer Lützow (3 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1103 Schnellboot (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1104 Leichter Kreuzer Nürnberg (3 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1105 Zerstörer (1811 t) (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1106 Torpedoboot (600 t) (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
B) Army material:
Sammlung naturgetreuer Nachbauten von Heereswaffen.
Herausgegeben mit Genehmigung des Oberkommandos des Heeres. Maßstab 1:20
Bestell-Nr. 1501 Sturmgeschütz (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1502 Achtrad-Panzerspähwagen (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1503 Panzerkampfwagen II (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1504 Panzerkampfwagen III (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1505 Mittlerer Schützenpanzerwagen (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1506 Russischer Panzer KW 1 (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1507 Russischer Panzer T 34 (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1508 Mittlerer geländegängiger Zugkraftwagen (3 Bogen + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1509 Pionier-Brückenbaugerät B (3 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1510 Panzerkampfwagen Tiger (3 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1511 Pionier-Sturmboot + Großer Floßsack (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
C) Aircraft:
Sammlung naturgetreuer Nachbauten in- und ausländischer Flugzeugmuster.
Herausgegeben vom Korpsführer des NS-Fliegerkorps. Maßstab 1:33,3.
Bestell-Nr. 1 Heinkel He 111 Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 2 Messerschmitt Bf 109 / Me 109F (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 3 Junkers Ju 87 Stuka (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 4 Messerschmitt Me 110 Zerstörer (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 5 Heinkel He 113 Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 6 Dornier Do 17 Z Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 6 Dornier Do 215 (spätere Ausgabe) (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 7 Focke-Wulf Fw 189 Nahaufklärer (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 8 Junkers Ju 88 Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 9 Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.10 FIAT CR 20 italien. Kampfflugzeug (nicht gesichert)
Bestell-Nr.11 Bristol Blenheim brit. Bomber (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.12 Vickers Wellington brit. Bomber (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.13 Fairey Battle brit. Kampfflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.14 Hawker Hurricane brit. Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.15 Supermarine Spitfire brit. Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.16 Blackburn Skua II brit. Sturzkampfflugz. (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.17 Handley Page Hampden Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.18 Curtiss H 75 (P-36) US Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.19 Macchi C 200 italien. Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.20 Armstrong-Whitworth Whitley II (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.21 Amiot 351 franz. Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.22 Morane 405/406 franz. Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.23 Polikarpow I-16 Rata sowj. Jagdflugz. (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.24 Iljuschin DB-3 sowj. Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.25 Handley Page Halifax brit. Bomber (4 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
(Bestell-Nrn.26-30 nicht gesichert)
Bestell-Nr.31 LAGG 3 sowj. Jagdflugzeug (postum) (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung).
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Old 11-12-2015, 11:09 AM
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No copyright would exist for the originals.
Not sure how you would know this.
Without details, this is just an opinion.


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The request for donations was for the fact that the original set was won on ebay for a tidy price and the person wanted to recoup some of the cost (if I recall, he also had to pay for large format scans once he got the models).
So, if I pay more than I can afford for a painting by some well known artist...
I can scan it, print copies and sell them "to recoup some of the cost"?
LOL
Thats the most ridiculous justification for piracy that I have ever heard.

Just because I paid for something, doesn't afford me any more rights than if I acquired it for free.
And just because I paid too much for it, doesn't change that fact either.
And just because I spent more money making high quality scans and copies, still doesn't give me any further license.

IF there is a copyright still in effect on these model sheets, they can't be copied period!
(*other than for your own personal use)
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:02 PM
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Dan, there were several other german publishers producing paper models of war material at that time, most notably J.F. Schreiber in Esslingen/Neckar and RAPI (Rauer & Pittius) in Sorau/Silesia. Both firms went out of it of course after 1945, but in the fifties of the 20th century Schreiber Bogen had some warships and military aircraft on their catalogue, although these were discontinued after Schreiber changed ownership.
RAPI models:
M 904 = 2 Straßenkampfwagen (light tanks)
M 906 = Kampfwagen (french tank R 17)
M 911 = Unterseeboot (submarine)
M 912 = Zerstörer (torpedo boat 1928)
M 914 = Deutsches Jagdflugzeug (Me 109)
M 916 = Minensuchboot (minesweeper 1935)
M 917 = Deutsches Zerstörer-Flugzeug (Me 110)
M 919 = Englisches Jagdflugzeug (Vickers Supermarine Spitfire)
M 920 = Englisches Bombenflugzeug (Bristol Blenheim)
M 921 = Deutsches Schnellboot (E-boats S1-S5)
M 922 = Deutsches Torpedoboot (Typ 28; cf. M 912)
M 98 = Deutscher Kampfwagen (Pz I)
(at least those are the RAPI military models I know of so far...)
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:30 PM
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Hello Dave,

i have the original papermodel prints. In german law Copyright expires after 50 years, The Publisher doesnt exist anymore. There are only a very few People who wants those models. If you want a copy ok. I did not act against the law. For me as a teacher this would be a big Problem as i am employed by the state. Thats it. This time ist the last time i offer these Scans.

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There were six different paper models of warships in 1/200 scale, designed by Ing. E. Zwalgun, published by Dr. M. Matthiesen & Co., Berlin,
eleven models of army material in 1/20 scale, by the same Publishers
and at least 25 models of german and allied aircraft in 1/33,3 scale, published by the NSFK (Nationalsozialistisches Flieger-Korps).
A) Navy ships, scale 1/200
Modellbogen im Verlag Dr. M. Matthiesen & Co. / Berlin SW 68
Sammlung naturgetreuer Nachbauten deutscher Kriegsschiffe.
Herausgegeben mit Genehmigung der Lehrwerkstatt der Kriegsmarine
für Schiffsmodellbau, bearb. von Ing. Emil Zwalgun. Maßstab 1:200
Bestell-Nr. 1101 U-Boot (740 t) (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Spätere Auflage: U-Boot (740 t) und Schnellboot (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1102 Schwerer Kreuzer Lützow (3 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1103 Schnellboot (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1104 Leichter Kreuzer Nürnberg (3 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1105 Zerstörer (1811 t) (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1106 Torpedoboot (600 t) (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
B) Army material:
Sammlung naturgetreuer Nachbauten von Heereswaffen.
Herausgegeben mit Genehmigung des Oberkommandos des Heeres. Maßstab 1:20
Bestell-Nr. 1501 Sturmgeschütz (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1502 Achtrad-Panzerspähwagen (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1503 Panzerkampfwagen II (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1504 Panzerkampfwagen III (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1505 Mittlerer Schützenpanzerwagen (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1506 Russischer Panzer KW 1 (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1507 Russischer Panzer T 34 (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1508 Mittlerer geländegängiger Zugkraftwagen (3 Bogen + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1509 Pionier-Brückenbaugerät B (3 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1510 Panzerkampfwagen Tiger (3 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 1511 Pionier-Sturmboot + Großer Floßsack (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
C) Aircraft:
Sammlung naturgetreuer Nachbauten in- und ausländischer Flugzeugmuster.
Herausgegeben vom Korpsführer des NS-Fliegerkorps. Maßstab 1:33,3.
Bestell-Nr. 1 Heinkel He 111 Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 2 Messerschmitt Bf 109 / Me 109F (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 3 Junkers Ju 87 Stuka (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 4 Messerschmitt Me 110 Zerstörer (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 5 Heinkel He 113 Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 6 Dornier Do 17 Z Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 6 Dornier Do 215 (spätere Ausgabe) (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 7 Focke-Wulf Fw 189 Nahaufklärer (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 8 Junkers Ju 88 Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr. 9 Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.10 FIAT CR 20 italien. Kampfflugzeug (nicht gesichert)
Bestell-Nr.11 Bristol Blenheim brit. Bomber (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.12 Vickers Wellington brit. Bomber (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.13 Fairey Battle brit. Kampfflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.14 Hawker Hurricane brit. Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.15 Supermarine Spitfire brit. Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.16 Blackburn Skua II brit. Sturzkampfflugz. (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.17 Handley Page Hampden Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.18 Curtiss H 75 (P-36) US Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.19 Macchi C 200 italien. Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.20 Armstrong-Whitworth Whitley II (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.21 Amiot 351 franz. Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.22 Morane 405/406 franz. Jagdflugzeug (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.23 Polikarpow I-16 Rata sowj. Jagdflugz. (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.24 Iljuschin DB-3 sowj. Kampfflugzeug (2 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
Bestell-Nr.25 Handley Page Halifax brit. Bomber (4 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung)
(Bestell-Nrn.26-30 nicht gesichert)
Bestell-Nr.31 LAGG 3 sowj. Jagdflugzeug (postum) (1 Bogen 50x70 cm + Bauanleitung).
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are the ship models availible anywhere?
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Old 11-12-2015, 01:54 PM
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Hello Dave,

i have the original papermodel prints. In german law Copyright expires after 50 years, The Publisher doesnt exist anymore. There are only a very few People who wants those models. If you want a copy ok. I did not act against the law. For me as a teacher this would be a big Problem as i am employed by the state. Thats it. This time ist the last time i offer these Scans.

Greetings

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i guess that answers the question in regard to these particular models and german law
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Hello, Herky!
No, they are no longer available. If you're lucky, you may find one of these models on that multicoloured shop (German Version: -.de) some day...
For instance, there's a 1930ies Schreiber model of the pocket battleship DEUTSCHLAND on offer for ~500.- €uro!!
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Hello, Herky!
No, they are no longer available. If you're lucky, you may find one of these models on that multicoloured shop (German Version: -.de) some day...
For instance, there's a 1930ies Schreiber model of the pocket battleship DEUTSCHLAND on offer for ~500.- €uro!!
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mmmmmmmmmm slightly out of my price range.thanks for info though
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Amen to that. As usual with copyright: In case of any doubt, just don´t do it.

"awfully well put together":
Well you know what paper models can look like, don´t you?
My father told me they used a substance called "Wasserglas" (sodium silicate) which sets rather slowly to glue those models , so there was sufficient time to produce precise models.
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