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Old 07-27-2017, 08:58 PM
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Woohoo! I noticed it was still gone yesterday.
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Hi Aaron, how is the Mohawk going?
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:49 PM
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It's being difficult. The problem with going back to look it over after a week or two is not being satisfied with how some parts turned out. I believe the words " What the @#$!© was I thinking?" were uttered.
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I guess so. The Mohawk is not exactly the easiest model to design. With so many compound curves and funny shapes, mostly the cabin, it is a real challenge. Good luck with this model. May I suggest you make an older version of the V tail Beechcraft Bonanza hopefully with full interior. It would make a beautiful model. As far as I know, there is no highly accurate scale card model of this most classic aircraft which holds the record of having been in continuous production since 1947 on several variants. But for me the nicest one is the first models with V tail. Greetings from sunshine state!!!
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New model(s) this week. The Grumman TBF Avenger. Now available in 5 versions. Pacific and Atlantic camouflage, British Tarpon, Canadian Version, and a commemoration of Flight 19 (markings for all 5 aircraft in Flight 19 are provided). Get them here: http://murphs-models.webs.com/grumman-tbf-avenger

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Old 08-01-2017, 09:41 AM
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Excellent. Got 'em and can't wait to see what Papermate will do with these.

The "Pacific TBF" is a General Motors Eastern Aircraft Division TBM-3 in the markings of an aircraft of VT-84 aboard USS Bunker Hill (CV-17) in 1945. http://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/usa/aircrafts-2-3/tbf/tbm-of-vt-84-after-it-landed-aboard-the-carrier-bunker-hill-february-19-1945/

The "Atlantic TBF" is a TBM-3E NL7030C belonging to the Military Aviation Museum in Virginia Beach. The airframe is Bureau of Aeronautics Number (BuNo) 53454 originally assigned to the U.S. Marine Corps. The aircraft is in 1942 blue/gray Navy camouflage with a unit emblem that I can't identify and the original BuNo on the tail. http://www.militaryaviationmuseum.org/images/Aircraft%20Images/TBM%20Avenger.jpg
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The "TBF Tarpon" is in Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm (FAA) Temperate Sea Scheme camouflage and June 1944 D-Day markings. Based on the dog's head insignia, it is Serial JZ-490, an Avenger I or Ic (Eastern Aircraft TBM-1). The Royal Navy called the Grumman-built TBF "Tarpon" and the General Motors Eastern Aircraft TBM "Avenger].
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/Tarpon_Avenger.html Different sources identify this aircraft as being based at FAA Donibristle or with No. 855 Squadron FAA at Hawkinge in June 1944.

The "TBF Avenger Canada" is Serial 85861 (TF-D), a TBM-3E acquired by the RCN in 1950 and initially flew as AB-P aboard HMCS Magnificent. In 1952, it was assigned to Fleet Requirements Unit 743 (FRU 743), later re-designated VU-32, of No. 1 Training Air Group based at HMCS Shearwater.The aircraft crashed in 1953, was recovered, and is currently being restored at the Shearwater Aviation Museum.
https://nbavengers.com/military-origins-us-and-canadian-navy-avengers/
http://www.shearwateraviationmuseum.ns.ca/exhibits/avenger.htm

"Flight 19" is, of course, a TBM-1c of the famous Flight 19 from Naval Air Station Fort Lauderdale lost over the Bermuda Triangle on 5 December 1945. It is, specifically, FT-28 (BuNo 23307) in late-war overall Navy blue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_19

Murph also offers a Martin PBM-5A Mariner that could, presumably, be repainted as BuNo 59225, the PBM-5 from Training Squadron 49 at NAS Banana River that searched for Flight 19 and then, itself, disappeared. http://murphs-models.webs.com/martin-pbm-mariner
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I have to research what's needed (besides recoloring) to make the "Atlantic TBF" into an early -1. Any thoughts?

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Les -

This is a quick and dirty response based on the data in Wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_TBF_Avenger

The model appears to be a TBM-3 in TBM-3E markings. You want a TBF-1.

According to the Wiki article, The TBM-3E was a TBM-3 with a search radar and no ventral gun. The model has no search radar and has a ventral gun position.

The TBM-3 was a TBM-1C with double cooling intakes, as on the model.

The TBM-1C was identical to the TBF-1C.

The TBF-1C was a TBF-1 with a .50 cal machine gun in each wing (as on the model).

There were internal differences that should not affect the external appearance of the model.

Therefore, I THINK what you have to do, in addition to the recolor, is delete the wing guns, and the chin air scoop.

Deeper research may turn up other details. If you have a good three view of a TBF-1, then you should have a good starting point.

Others more knowledgeable than I may provide more accurate information, which I would welcome.

Cheers,

Don

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I wasn't really trying to represent a specific model of Avenger, other than the one at the Military Aviation Museum. One of our members here lives close to them, and sent me some walkaround pics. I've been working with him to try and talk the museum into selling my models in their gift store, so whenever I get the chance, I do a model of one of their planes.

Here's the inspiration for the other models:
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Tricolor

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Tarpon (May not be an actual Tarpon, but I figured it would help the model stand apart)
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Canadian
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Flight 19

I usually model what the museum down in Tucson has as well, but theirs is in the same colors as the Flight 19 model, and I figured you can't have an Avenger model without doing Flight 19.

Don, did I get the Pacific / Atlantic camo designations right? Google was kinda vague. When I put in WWII US Pacific camouflage, it showed the tricolor in the first couple returns. Atlantic camo search came back with the dark gray over light gray.

I'm not detail oriented enough to know what the difference between a TBF-1 and a TBM-3E is. (Other than that early models had a .30 cal in the cowling instead of .50's in the wings). Looks like the changes to make Les's version could be cosmetic. Delete the bottom intake and wing guns, and add a gun to the nose.
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Excellent. Got 'em and can't wait to see what Papermate will do with these.

The "Pacific TBF" is a General Motors Eastern Aircraft Division TBM-3 in the markings of an aircraft of VT-84 aboard USS Bunker Hill (CV-17) in 1945. http://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/usa/aircrafts-2-3/tbf/tbm-of-vt-84-after-it-landed-aboard-the-carrier-bunker-hill-february-19-1945/

The "Atlantic TBF" is a TBM-3E NL7030C belonging to the Military Aviation Museum in Virginia Beach. The airframe is Bureau of Aeronautics Number (BuNo) 53454 originally assigned to the U.S. Marine Corps. The aircraft is in 1942 blue/gray Navy camouflage with a unit emblem that I can't identify and the original BuNo on the tail. http://www.militaryaviationmuseum.org/images/Aircraft%20Images/TBM%20Avenger.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pvdac/33110812362/in/photolist-5Dz2bW-UvVKBM-UEs1bW-SrSgPh-TnENwv-SrTyXd-V5nxSD-V5nxCk-V5qZ8z-SuiGUe-S6NTsh-UuXPSF-g1igqF-UFP5iA-q4NC49-VghdW1-eYQyXn-nTnLhG-UHgDdk-oXEZBT-d89BrJ-oGoGaz-pBAd1s-JHDwRZ-T3nkwD-rcpFS9-nsnTHL-VghdVE-dPnekR-nVd1h3-oetPbD-Usdi57-qdGid2-SNykG7-azmumb-pkXHgV-kvr69M-a8QnSA-dthTxK-qXzsyF-tC4zJz-qX8a6N-vrSZeS-VRozB1-7XT4Jv-pwz4gz-f9Piwh-rFHwLi-fxFVrJ-X2CwMt

The "TBF Tarpon" is in Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm (FAA) Temperate Sea Scheme camouflage and June 1944 D-Day markings. Based on the dog's head insignia, it is Serial JZ-490, an Avenger I or Ic (Eastern Aircraft TBM-1). The Royal Navy called the Grumman-built TBF "Tarpon" and the General Motors Eastern Aircraft TBM "Avenger].
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/Tarpon_Avenger.html Different sources identify this aircraft as being based at FAA Donibristle or with No. 855 Squadron FAA at Hawkinge in June 1944.

The "TBF Avenger Canada" is Serial 85861 (TF-D), a TBM-3E acquired by the RCN in 1950 and initially flew as AB-P aboard HMCS Magnificent. In 1952, it was assigned to Fleet Requirements Unit 743 (FRU 743), later re-designated VU-32, of No. 1 Training Air Group based at HMCS Shearwater.The aircraft crashed in 1953, was recovered, and is currently being restored at the Shearwater Aviation Museum.
https://nbavengers.com/military-origins-us-and-canadian-navy-avengers/
http://www.shearwateraviationmuseum.ns.ca/exhibits/avenger.htm

"Flight 19" is, of course, a TBM-1c of the famous Flight 19 from Naval Air Station Fort Lauderdale lost over the Bermuda Triangle on 5 December 1945. It is, specifically, FT-28 (BuNo 23307) in late-war overall Navy blue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_19

Murph also offers a Martin PBM-5A Mariner that could, presumably, be repainted as BuNo 59225, the PBM-5 from Training Squadron 49 at NAS Banana River that searched for Flight 19 and then, itself, disappeared. http://murphs-models.webs.com/martin-pbm-mariner
Don

Heres a close up on the emblem for ya Don
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