1/24 Apollo/Saturn V (enlarged 1/48 Greelt et al version)

[gene1772]

Algebraist, thanks for the detailed fix to the J-2 problem. Also appreciate you documenting it so well. Great build.

[legal01]

The 1:48 scale files, aside from mostly being JPG's also look crudely chopped up with no rhyme or reason even harder to figure out how they go together.

Little confused here, all files uploaded are vector and none jpg, which files are you referencing here so that I can check it out?

[JohnGay]

Sorry, those are the ones on Lower Hudson Valley Paper Model site. Didn't realize Algebraist was talking about the downloads on this forum.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Algebraist]

Originally Posted by legal01

The 1:48 scale files, aside from mostly being JPG's also look crudely chopped up with no rhyme or reason even harder to figure out how they go together.

Little confused here, all files uploaded are vector and none jpg, which files are you referencing here so that I can check it out?

Originally Posted by JohnGay

Sorry, those are the ones on Lower Hudson Valley Paper Model site. Didn't realize Algebraist was talking about the downloads on this forum.

Sorry for the confusion.

Hello everyone. I think things are getting a little mixed up so just want to clarify. The version of the Saturn V I am building was download for the Lower Hudson Valley Paper Model site. They are all pdf's and are broken down section by section (thrust structure, stage one, interstage etc) along with a pdf of instructions for each section. All the pages for each section are sequentially marked and have the "tinkered with by legal01" logo on them along with the designers copyright. I have just checked the site again and they are still as described. I was looking at the download models section, real space, Apollo era, the penultimate model on the page.

I have also just gone to the downloads section of this forum and downloaded (for the first time) the only things I can see connected with this model which is under real space, manned, Greelt's Saturn V update and had a look at them. They are almost identical to the Lower Hudson valley downloads. The difference is (as far as I can tell quickly looking at them) is there have been some additions of retro rockets to the thrust structure, some additions of some bits to stage 2 of umbilicals and retro rockets and a different cone on the top of stage 2. All of these additions were by the designer Rocky Barrnett. All the files are pdf's. they are listed under legal01 downloads.

Overall I think this means the model will get some nice enhancements, so I am glad I have found out about them.

[Algebraist]

Originally Posted by mbauer

Men From Earth by Buzz Aldrin
Lost Moon The Perilous Voyage of Apollo 13 by Jim Lovell (think it has been changed to just Apollo 13)
Carrying the Fire by Michael Collins

Just a few to start with.

Mike

Hi Mike

Thanks for that. Think I will go for Buzz's first.

Kevin

[Algebraist]

Originally Posted by rifleman

you are doing an outstanding build sir have fingers crossed and wishing you all the best WELL DONE

Dear rifleman

Thanks for the kind words and support

Kevin

[Algebraist]

Originally Posted by luke strawwalker

Oh there are SO many good books out there... Stages to Saturn is probably one of the best on the Saturn V.

The main book I'll tell you stay away from is Craig Nelson's "Rocket Men"... that book is SO poorly written and has a lot of misinformation or screwed up facts... just pitiful.

Currently I'm finishing up Boris Chertok's four-part seminal history of the Soviet space program from its earliest days through the 70's, "Rockets and People"... each of the volumes is about 400+ pages, so it's not for the faint of heart!

One of the best resources is the "NASA Technical Reports Server" (NTRS). I've downloaded a LOT of the old studies and proposals and stuff on the early space program, particularly WRT the Apollo/Saturn system, and have done (and periodically still do) "study summaries" of them, with respect to the most relevant information for modelers (specifically flying rocket hobbyists but also equally of interest for static models or space history buffs). NASA reports tend to be hundreds of pages of very dry statistics and formulae and I try to condense that down to the most interesting, relevant, and historical subject matter of interest to hobbyists and necessary to create a model and place it in proper historical context...

Check them out if you like... Just look in "Luke's Study" under the "Crew Quarters" section at the bottom of the forum list... Sagitta Cantina - Login

Later! OL J R

Thanks for all the suggestions! Some many interesting things to look at, so little time at the moment. Boris Chertok's book looks fascinating.

For anyone who would like a gentler but realistic insight into the space race can I suggest the 4 part TV series made in 2005 by the BBC (TV company in the UK) called "Space Race". It covers from 1944 to the moon landing of 1969. No spoilers, but let me say you learn who Sergei Korolev is (amongst many other things. I really enjoyed all 4 episodes when they were first broadcast.

[Algebraist]

Originally Posted by legal01

Looking impressive, any changes that need to be made to the master or design suggestions to improve the whole just drop me a line sometime. I have only build stage 3 and the command module so far so I know they work, stage two im not sure about.

Cheers

Hello legal01

Thanks for the comments. If anyone feels any of my suggested changes are worthwhile I will happily let you know what they are. I would feel more comfortable if other people try them out first and then confirm they are indeed an improvement (to be honest).

Kevin

[Algebraist]

Originally Posted by roham

Fantastic work. I started to make it too last night. It is inresting for me because i love Apollo.it is my faivorit space maket.l have allways wantet to make it.
When i saw your work i became happy.because i can ask some question when i have problem whith the manual if it is possible. I attached two pic of my engin.😬
I am from iran.unfotunately in my dear country it is toooooooo expencive to print 180 page .So i had to print just 20 pages of Apollo engine..

Dear roham

Your engine looks really good. Keep up the nice work

Thanks for you kind comment.

Sorry printing is a problem for you. Here are two things you could do to cut down on the printing but still have a great (big) model (I think):

First option: In 1969 there were instructions issued to make a 1:48 scale Saturn V out of normal materials (no printing). Here is a link

Ninfinger Saturn V

Second option: Make only the outside of thee rocket and for most of the body use just plain white paper or plain black paper. Read the sizes of the part off the pdf's of greelt's model. You will not have all the printed detail but you can add some of it by hand and it will still be a an awesome model

Just suggestions. Looking forward to seeing more of your model

Kevin

[Algebraist]

Originally Posted by dhanners

If you're looking for in-depth technical info about the development of the Saturns, CSM and LM -- and the people who made it happen -- it is hard to do better than "Chariots for Apollo: A History of Manned Lunar Spacecraft." It is part of NASA's history series.
https://www.amazon.com/Chariots-Apol...ots+for+Apollo

Ooooo (as in the noise the "little green men" make in Toy Story). This is now on my b'day list. (Apologies if the |Toy Story reference is of no meaning to you)

Thanks for the recommendation

Kevin