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Old 12-29-2010, 08:59 PM
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I love what U R doing! can the same thing be done in Photoshop or Paint.net?
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Old 12-29-2010, 11:13 PM
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I love what U R doing! can the same thing be done in Photoshop or Paint.net?
Thanks for asking.

I will not answer right now. I think I better illustrate before answering:

Let’s suppose we want to work with a triangle inside a 2X2cms square
Why a triangle? Because triangles are cool
Re-colouring the Ford Trimotor by Peter Zorn-22-corphot1.jpg

Neat triangles in each program.

But now we need to rotate them.
Lets say, 18º
Re-colouring the Ford Trimotor by Peter Zorn-23-corphot2.jpg


You probably don’t notice the differences at first,

but when you zoom in….
Re-colouring the Ford Trimotor by Peter Zorn-24-corphot3.jpg

Borders in Corel Draw look much cleaner,
while in Photoshop they appear to be pixelated.


Now, we need to scale up our triangle to 15X15cms…
Re-colouring the Ford Trimotor by Peter Zorn-25-corphot4.jpg

See what happened?

Now, imagine what could happen to a more complex image
if you need to rotate it, displace it, and scale it for printing.

Corel Draw and Adobe Photoshop were born for different purposes.
Thus, they work slightly different.
They are two completely different beasts.

While Corel Draw works with “vectors”, Photoshop works with pixels.

That’s why I choose to make this project with Corel Draw, instead of Photoshop.
We wanted a high quality digital re-master of the original lineart,
and that could only be achieved with a vector editing software.

This way, line cleanness can be assured
and distortion when scaling up/down is avoided.

Now, don’t misunderstand me.
I’m not saying Photoshop is inferior.
I’m just saying that it is probably not the best option
to generate a high-quality editable lineart that is needed as a master file.

Photoshop is one of my most loved programs.
I’ve used it for more years than I have used Corel.
Photoshop is excellent for editing images.
With it, you can easily get this photo fixed in a couple of minutes:
Re-colouring the Ford Trimotor by Peter Zorn-26-corphot5.jpg

And that very simple image correction is something
that a vector editing software like Corel Draw could never do
(maybe his brother software PhotoPaint can do it, but never Corel Draw).


So, to answer your question:

Yes, you can use Photoshop, Pain.net, Gimp,
or any other image-editing software to trace lines and give them colour.
However, results may be different to what is shown here
because I am using a software that works in a different way.

Not better or worse, just different.

Remember what I said above:
“triangles are cool”.

No, wait. It wasn’t that.
Forget about the coolness of triangles and better remember:
“Corel and Photoshop are two different beasts”

There are things that may be similar in both:
In both you can add text, and add drop shadows to objects.
Both have their own tools for selection, tools for rotating,
tools for making straight lines and shapes, as well as tools for free-hand drawing etc…

But they serve different purposes.

You’ll find Photoshop useful for some things
that cannot be achieved in Corel, and viceversa.

Working with software to create/edit images is just like paper modeling:
You have to choose the most appropriate tools,
the proper medium, and use the techniques that better suit your needs
to obtain the result that you want.

I hope I didn’t sound too technical or obscure with this hurried explanation.

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Old 12-30-2010, 05:32 AM
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WOW! that was hurried? :-) It actually makes very good sense and actually explained a lot of issues I've been having.
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Old 12-30-2010, 06:18 AM
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WOW! that was hurried? :-) It actually makes very good sense and actually explained a lot of issues I've been having.
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You're welcome Dennie!
I'm glad the explanation was useful.

Now that I re-read my previous post I find that it looks like
I focused too much on one single aspect of Corel Draw.
And it was its ability to create lineart.

There Photoshop is not so strong (at least for my own particular taste).

But Photoshop is a great tool for recolouring and texturing.
There is where it can show its real power.

To balance a bit I invite you to look for some recoloring threads
to see what can be achieved with Photoshop in case you would like
to attempt your own repaint.

These are only a few great recent examples
of what can be done with Photoshop (or any pixel-editing software):
bf-109f-2 realistic repaint
Kfir in color
StuIG 33B 1/72
Small rural bistro somewhere south

And a fine tutorial by Leif:
PaperModelers.com - Downloads - Aluminium painting tutorial

All those are great reading too, and show what I stated before:
once you choose the right tools, results are wonderful.

Have a nice day!
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Old 12-30-2010, 06:42 AM
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Ruben, those Russian photos were fantastic!

A correction - the Aluminium painting tutorial available here on this site is written by Gil Russell, who is the undisputed authority on this subject. I just uploaded it.

Also, I was wrong about the little black spot on part 114 - it can't be spark plugs, since they were front & rear, see the photo you dug out:

Re-colouring the Ford Trimotor by Peter Zorn-fordweeks5-8-02-spark-plugs.jpg

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Old 12-30-2010, 10:26 AM
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This is a wonderful project. The collaboration has been a pleasure to see, your work is outstanding, and I look forward to seeing the enterprise continue.

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Old 12-30-2010, 11:18 AM
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Now that I re-read my previous post I find that it looks like
I focused too much on one single aspect of Corel Draw.
And it was its ability to create lineart.

There Photoshop is not so strong (at least for my own particular taste).

But Photoshop is a great tool for recolouring and texturing.
There is where it can show its real power.
I'm just joining this thread and I notice that Adobe Illustrator hasn't been mentioned (at least I've found no mention of it). I've used Illustrator since it was a Beta product and it is equally capable of creating the same quality line art as Corel Draw. I think they are both similar prices at this point, I know Illustrator use to be much more expensive and that would be a consideration.

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Old 12-30-2010, 11:46 AM
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SFX,
He did mention Adobe Illustrator in his opening remarks in the
how paragraph. The reason given was that he was not familiar
enough with the program to use it on this project. I have just
purchased the Corel Draw Suite X5 yesterday online and hope
to gain some proficiency with it. As Ruben explains you need a
vectored rendition to allow up and down scaling without loosing
definition. I used to have Adobe Illustrator also many years ago
as well as the other program they had for retracing line art. They
are good programs but I found they required a lot of a learning
curve. Photoshop and Illustrator also are out of my league due
to their cost. Those who are proficient in those programs I respect
your abilities to master these complex programs. Again Thanks to
Ruben for this insight and tutorial he may be able to teach this
old dog some new tricks......Ron
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Old 12-30-2010, 12:42 PM
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SFX,
He did mention Adobe Illustrator in his opening remarks in the
how paragraph. The reason given was that he was not familiar
enough with the program to use it on this project.

They are good programs but I found they required a lot of a learning
curve. Photoshop and Illustrator also are out of my league due
to their cost. Those who are proficient in those programs I respect
your abilities to master these complex programs.Ron
Ron, your right, he did mention it...... I found it after I re-read it about 3X's. My error.

It's also true about the learning curve for Illustrator and PS, I've used them both for about 15 years and I'm still learning new ways to do something each time I use it....

Too bad I can't use the erase feature in PS to delete my original comments;-)

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Old 12-30-2010, 01:38 PM
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For those of you interested in the Corel Draw Graphics Suite X5 Full Version
that I purchased it can be found at this link;Corel CorelDRAW Graphics Suite X5 | CDGSX5ENHBB | SoftwareMedia.com

It was the cheapest price I found at $235.00. It also has an enhanced paint
program that is included in this version.....Ron
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