another dutch boat!

[kentyler]

one of my modeling ideas is that the model parts should be like the real parts

i tried making parts like the futtocks from thick pieces of card, but the thick card is very hard to cut

so i cut more pieces of thin card and glue them together
it ends up taking less time and makes the resulting pieces tougher, like plywood

[kentyler]

cutting and gluing
each futtock takes 4 laminations

i laid a fexible strip over the outside of the stern futtocks and found tha the
2nd, 3rd and 4th were set to far out
the 4th one from the end i fixed by cutting a section out of it and regluing
that was sort of cumbersome
so the 2nd and 3rd i tried cutting them loose at the top and just bending them inwards
and then regluing
which worked ok

working with paper is wonderful

[kentyler]

i should have made battens and bent them round the stern to test the shapes of the futtocks as i was making them

i have attempted several repairs on the futtocks that define the curve of the hull back towards the stern
now i am gluing up new ones by doing the gluing with the laminations in place, so they are not glued up square to each other
but are allowed to take the shape of the hull
which seems to be working
i will have to do a little faking on the outside of some of the futtocks, which slope the wrong way

[abhovi]

The point is that you should have fully planked one side, take the inside shape from there for your futtocks and mirror it to for the other side.

But I really admire your perseverance and what you are trying to achieve, because it is exactly what I did years ago in wood and I learned a lot about shaping a ship in a natural way, using the characteristics of wood.
Your posts make me happy.

[kentyler]

and really encourage my efforts to try to understand how ships were actually built

eventually i'll post my 2nd staten jacht model... which i tried in 1/24 scale and built over a plug in order to try and solve the problem of how to develop the shapes of the futtocks

[kentyler]

more pieces
here you can see that i put a little spacer in to help hold the bottom 2 planks against the stern
then i pieced in the extentsions of the bottom 4 planks
and removed a piece of a plank i already had in place to make the space that is open more or less even along the length of the ship
i am cutting and gluing the last couple of futtocks and i have a question

is there anything that fastens the transom to the last futtock
in the pictures in the book it looks like the heavy planks that run along the "floor" but up against the transom, but are they
fastened to it ?

[kentyler]

for something bigger

this was my attempt to escape from the problems i was having with the 1/48 model by bumping it up to 1/24
(a really juicy scale)
with a little side wise inspiration from howard hann i decide to build it over a plug
so that i could shape the outer surfaces of the futtocks before planking
most of the plug has been removed... but you can see what remains in the bow
real copper nails and bamboo trenails... love this scale

[abhovi]

So you work in wood too! I should have known that...

There was a firm connection between tuck and frames by a couple of horizontal knees mainly attached to the transom. In bigger ships there were more knees holding the tuck to the ship's sides, but not in a relatively small vessel as this yacht. Does that answer your question?

[kentyler]

I think that answers my question

but the "big" model is not wood, paper, just like the "little" one

[kentyler]

corrupted by howard underhill in my youth

i decided i would apply the same idea... cut the bottom of the cut out section so that it was the same distance from the top all along the side

when i figured out that the futtock ends could be clipped off rather easily by separating the laminations and clipping one at a time it went easier

i put in the keelson and drilled first little holes, then bigger holes for the trenails

which are bamboo, sized in my drawplate

i just love the way they look...

now i've reprinted the 7 frames from the plans and cut them to leave just the inside of the hull...and will use them to locate the heavy planks that run down the sides of the bottom of the hull

and to locate the plank that will have the notches the deck frames will fit into


and need i say it... i love dutch ships, with their rough and ready looks