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Old 04-20-2017, 10:26 AM
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BB-57 South Dakota at 1/700 Scale

When I was making my BB-63 Uss Missouri, I saw that the Iowa class was a improvement of the South Dakota class, like cutting the hull and including a section with more boilers, another funnel and more secondary guns just in case.

So, some days ago I was in the mood of start a model of the South Dakota. It's based in the Halinski MK 1/1993 at 1/300 scale, but resized and repainted.

The reason for repainting is that the original paper model (OPM) has the decks painted in wood and gray, and the real ship was painted in dark blue, even the wood.

As today, I'm just printed part of the pieces, but I'm including the real color scheme of the ship, a picture of the Vought OS2U Kingfisher on board of my Missouri, and the first resized page of my model
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:44 AM
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Very nice start. I have read there was quite a debate after the South Dakota class as to what the next step should be and if the Iowa class was worth the the cost increase. I know they wanted speed to keep up with the Carriers and if I recall the South Dakota Class did not?
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:38 PM
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The length to beam ratio of this class was simply too low to make them anything but slow. South Dakota was actually fortunate to survive its' fight with Kirishima as the Washington stepped in to save her. The Japanese BB knocked out S.D.'s electrical power making her a sitting duck. With no radar though to see what was around her the Kirishima was pulverized at close range by the much more modern and powerful US ship. It would have been an embarrassing moment is U.S. naval history had S. D. Been lost to a WW1 battle cruisers 2/3 It's size.
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Old 05-02-2017, 08:11 AM
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A low quality picture of the ship compared against the BB-63 Missouri at the same scale.

The "skeleton" of the ship is made, but I'm planning to include diagonal reinforcements between the ribs and rounded struts joining the lower squares to improve the finishing of the lower surfaces and prevent a small folding that happens sometimes between bow and stern, like 2 degrees in some of my ships.

Because my 1/350 Type VIIC/41 is finished, the South Dakota must start to advance faster
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A better picture.
I'm placing the reinforcements in the rounded squares of the underwater hull (so far just near the bow)
I'm seen that to prevent the folding of the hull I would had needed to include a square plate from bow to stern, something like my titanic had.
Well It will be done the next ship.
So far, everything is easy.
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Looking good so far. Keep up the good work
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Ok, this weekend I had time to build a battleship.
The reinforcements were made near bow and stern, the underwater hull is placed and one side up the waterline has started.
Some details: fist, the instructions are few and sparse. You must be experienced or very good at guesswork.
Second, the trench that runs by the sides of the hull must be made before placing the outer pieces. I'm curious: why a lot of WWII ships had this trench? I've seen it in many ships of many nationality between 1920-1940.
Anyway, the ship is advancing
And the pictures keep appearing rotated. :-(
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Ok, I found the first mistake in the original paper model (OPM): the real inner propellers were hold with struts, and the outer propellers were hold with keels. The OPM was made inverted.
Probably it happened because they mixed the Iowa and the Soth Dakota class. Anyway, they made a mistake, I corrected it in my model.
As you can see, the port side has the armored belt finished (or wathever the trench near the main deck is called) and the port side painted. The starboard side is bein placed, and the main turrets are bein made and painted.
You can see that the Missouri turrets are almost identical. This tendence continues in the rest of the ship, as I'm going to show while making this model.
I compared the South Dakota with the CV-6 Enterprise because the flight deck on the Enterprise is the same color than the decks of the South Dakota.
So far, the ship keeps being easy to build... if you had assembled the Missouri first.
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I'm joining the discussion a bit late, but with regards to the advantages of the Iowa-class relative to the South Dakota-class, you must remember that the South Dakotas were authorized before the start of hostilities, and the American congress was not yet willing to fully turn on the flow of dollars to re-arm the services. In any case, had Congress delayed the building program until the Iowa designs were ready, that would have meant even less firepower for the US Navy at the start of hostilities.
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Chris, it was not a limitation of money but the consequences of the second London Naval Treaty, that obliged a limit of 35,000 ton standard displacement, and once Japan renounced the treaty, all the nations could build real battleships. In the USS case, they took the South Dakota and rebuild them to their real potential, namely Iowas.
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