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Old 08-17-2018, 08:05 AM
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Beautiful hull! I like the shipyard type double planking and the shape looks perfect Those colorful English ships of the time makes for pretty hulls too..
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:25 AM
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Papierschnitzel - good question!

At first, I thought these were "scuppers", but they are not, as they are high off the deck. Suppers are used to drain water from the decks, and as a result, are placed below deck level - sometimes with a drain connection.

Looking at the number, and the height and positioning of these openings, and bearing in mind this is a very small vessel, these look like "sweep ports" - openings to allow the vessel to be rowed if necessary in certain situations. They are also the right dimensions for this

Sweep posts were adopted by the Royal Navy for smaller vessels (up to 46 gun frigates in some cases!) in the 17th century onwards - and were used to manoeuvre the vessel in port, as well as to enable quick manoeuvres during battle. They were used as well to assist the oarsmen in the boats when the ship was being towed in calm weather, or they could be used for steering from the stern ports. they were also used to get a ship out of port in calm weather.

Given the size and role of the ship, these would be at home on a cutter the size of HMS Fly......

In size the "seeps" were large - average length was 45 feet long +/-. The blade was 12" + wide, and they were stowed when not in use with the spars. They were also used for steering if needs be, via the stern ports which this vessel also has.

I attach a drawing of the set-up for a sweep below.

HMS "Fly" - British cutter 1763 [scratch build 1:100]-sweep.jpg

A good reference on sweeps is the 1816 2nd edition of The Art of Making Masts, Yards, Gaffs, Booms, Blocks ad Oars as practiced in the Royal Navy and According to the Most Approved Methods in the Merchant Service
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:24 AM
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That makes sense. Thanks Kevin!
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Thanks Kevin.
You answered faster then I did

According to McGregor's book, I thought that these holes serve something completely different. But with oars they make more sense


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Really wonderful, Tomek.
With the Alert and the Speedy it's now possible to show the development oft the british naval cutters
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Old 09-12-2018, 12:34 PM
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Hi everybody,

because of my stay in the hospital it took a lot of time, to build the deck equipement. Now all is on the deck and it is time to start rigging.
General view...


...the "universal measurement device"...


... and a very dangerous view of the "baby"...


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HMS "Fly" - British cutter 1763 [scratch build 1:100]-hull-01.jpg   HMS "Fly" - British cutter 1763 [scratch build 1:100]-hull-03.jpg   HMS "Fly" - British cutter 1763 [scratch build 1:100]-hull-05.jpg   HMS "Fly" - British cutter 1763 [scratch build 1:100]-hull-08.jpg   HMS "Fly" - British cutter 1763 [scratch build 1:100]-hull-09.jpg  

HMS "Fly" - British cutter 1763 [scratch build 1:100]-hull-10.jpg   HMS "Fly" - British cutter 1763 [scratch build 1:100]-hull-11.jpg   HMS "Fly" - British cutter 1763 [scratch build 1:100]-hull-13.jpg  
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Old 09-12-2018, 12:53 PM
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Nice!

They really come alive as you rigs the bits, like the cannons, don't they?
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Great project going here Tomek.
This one has eye catching colors.
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Old 09-12-2018, 02:41 PM
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Good to see you back here Tomek.
Beautiful ship!
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Old 09-14-2018, 08:11 AM
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Hi Tomek!

That looks great! Nice little cutter handsomely modelled! Very clean build!

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