PaperModelers.com

Go Back   PaperModelers.com > > >

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-30-2018, 07:08 AM
MichaelS's Avatar
MichaelS MichaelS is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: San Antonio, Florida Time: UTC -4
Posts: 2,687
Total Downloaded: 177.95 MB
USS Ward DD 139

This is my first foray into the world of floaty thangs. To start with a question: Should I glue the internal formers onto Bristol board or similar? I can't imagine it would hurt anything and would make the hull stronger.

Also if all you learned ship builders have any other suggestions for this build I would very much appreciate it.
Attached Thumbnails
USS Ward DD 139-20181030_090246.jpg   USS Ward DD 139-20181030_090219.jpg  
__________________
MS
“I love it when a plane comes together.” - Colonel John “Hannibal” Smith, A Team leader
Long Live 1/100!! FB: https://www.facebook.com/EZStanley
Reply With Quote
Login to remove ads
  #2  
Old 10-30-2018, 07:44 AM
Don Boose's Avatar
Don Boose Don Boose is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania
Posts: 15,986
Total Downloaded: 120.19 MB
I will defer to more experienced ship modelers, but based on my own very modest experience, strengthening the internal structure is not necessary for a model of this size.

Looking forward to seeing you build this historic ship. I always liked the look of the four-pipers (and the converted three-stack flush-deckers) real and imaginary (USS Caine).

Don
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-30-2018, 07:46 AM
SCEtoAUX's Avatar
SCEtoAUX SCEtoAUX is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 6,272
Total Downloaded: 356.18 MB
My one foray into building a ship model taught me the importance of making sure the keel stays straight and making sure the internal formers stay true and square. Otherwise the floaty thang looks like a gray (or is that grey?) banana.
__________________
~Doug~
AC010202 EAMUS CATULI! Audere est Facere
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-30-2018, 08:05 AM
wb4jjj wb4jjj is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 30
Total Downloaded: 888.50 MB
I’m no expert, but I do build these ships on a regular basis.

You are good to go with the formers as is. I build on a flat and true surface, and weight the frame while it dries to keep the model straight and true. Water based glues will warp the frame, hull sides and deck. I use something like the model airplane glue we had as kids to avoid the ripples. I switch to water based glue for the details.

You can see my model of the USS Ballard, a 4 piper converted to a seaplane tender in the IPMC photos. These models are not too difficult, but do take some perseverance.

Alan
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-30-2018, 08:29 AM
dhanners's Avatar
dhanners dhanners is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hawally District, Kuwait
Posts: 1,793
Total Downloaded: 954.27 MB
From my shipbuilding days (I built three...) I recall lightly gluing the waterline piece to a small piece of glass, then adding the hull formers to that. Even Bristol board is going to have some slight curve to it, with the potential to curve even more depending on humidity.

The waterline piece sets the stage for literally everything above it, so it's got to be flat. I learned that the hard way....
Reply With Quote
Login to remove ads
  #6  
Old 10-30-2018, 10:09 AM
rjccjr rjccjr is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Beverly, MA, USA
Posts: 58
Total Downloaded: 284.15 MB
Hi;

In that scale, adding material would be unnecessary as long as the base card is tacked to a sheet of wood or other material. The model should be quite strong as is.

Regards, rjccjr
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-30-2018, 11:07 AM
PacificWind's Avatar
PacificWind PacificWind is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Olsztyn(Allenstein), Poland
Posts: 825
Total Downloaded: 236.97 MB
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelS View Post
Should I glue the internal formers onto Bristol board or similar?
Absolutely no. I built USS Ward by JSC about a year ago and it's designed to build it straight from what kit provides. In 1/400 scale this ship has a really solid construction. The only things you'll have to do by yourself are masts, lifeboat racks, cannons and maybe few other little details.
Good luck with this project!

Any plans for diorama? There are so many ways to make water for ships.
__________________
Kacper


Long Live 1/100!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-30-2018, 02:10 PM
modelperry's Avatar
modelperry modelperry is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Burlington, Iowa
Posts: 1,904
Total Downloaded: 7.57 MB
since you have to fold the inner formers to double their thickness you are already sort of gluing them to "Bristol" board in a way, so no need to add extra on these JSC models.

That's the genius of JSC, most of them do not require extra card.

greg
__________________
In dry dock: Antilope. In factory: Famo Sdkfz 9. In hanger: Yak 7b. under construction: ?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-30-2018, 03:52 PM
MichaelS's Avatar
MichaelS MichaelS is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: San Antonio, Florida Time: UTC -4
Posts: 2,687
Total Downloaded: 177.95 MB
I am not a historian like our illustrious Don B. but rather a follower of history. One of the things that has always amazed me is why some events go down in history and others are hardly remembered. One of these instances is the USS Ward on December 7th 1941. For some reason we all remember the USS Arizona that was sunk almost without firing a shot yet few people know of the exploits of this little “tin can”.

This little 314’ long obsolete “4 piper” destroyer did what much of the rest of the US fleet did not do on that day. In the best traditions of the US Navy the captain, LCDR Outerbridge, who had only been in charge of his ship for a day, followed in the footsteps of John Paul Jones, Stephen Decatur, David Farragut and all the other great men of the US Navy’s past. He took action.

He was also lucky enough to have probably one of the best trained crews in the US Navy at that point. They were all reservists from the same area of the US Midwest.. They had all been together on their little piece of floating Minnesota prairie for a year. They were the personification of a “well oiled machine”.

At roughly 06:30 Outerbridge attacked without hesitation and sank a Japanese midget sub in the entrance of Pearl Harbor. He knew he would either get a medal or a court marshal! He reported his actions and also in the tradition of so many military machines this report was promptly ignored. If someone of LCDR Outerbridge’s calibre had been on duty that day the story that we now know of the Japanese attack might have been very different.

Since I have started building paper models this little ship has been my Holy Grail. I do hope I do her justice. If not I bought two so I would have a “do over” ;-)






Tack glued the keel to my building board. Then cut out keel and two sides. Looks OK to me thus far. If anyone sees any errors please let me know.
Attached Thumbnails
USS Ward DD 139-20181030_173559-0-.jpg   USS Ward DD 139-20181030_174426.jpg  
__________________
MS
“I love it when a plane comes together.” - Colonel John “Hannibal” Smith, A Team leader
Long Live 1/100!! FB: https://www.facebook.com/EZStanley

Last edited by MichaelS; 10-30-2018 at 04:20 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-30-2018, 05:08 PM
Don Boose's Avatar
Don Boose Don Boose is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania
Posts: 15,986
Total Downloaded: 120.19 MB
Excellent background info, Michael.

Great start on the build.

Don
Reply With Quote
Login to remove ads
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Resources saved on this page: MySQL 8.33%
Parts of this site powered by vBulletin Mods & Addons from DragonByte Technologies Ltd. (Details)
Copyright © 2007-17, Paper Modelers.com