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Old 11-20-2019, 02:16 AM
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Yes!!!
Those were the S-151 to S-158, originally British Power Boats designs. Now the question is that the original designs of Mr. Scott-Paine ranged from 68' to 77" and these where almost 93'. The Royal Navy didn't have any MTB of that size at the beginning of the hostilities. The older German S-2 to S-5 were of similar size as the S-151. Did the German enlarged the hulls or these were of a new design?

http://s-boot.net/sboote-km-dat-s151.html
Can't tell you at the moment, but I'll dive deeper in this subject later on today or tomorrow, because I know the subject of the Bulgarian and Romanian mtb's provided by the Kriegsmarine was a topic on a Russian shipmodel forum some time ago
My source is "Dutch Warships of WW2" by Henk van Willigenburg (Emmen, 2010)
here's the part about the mtb's
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Old 11-20-2019, 02:18 AM
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Can't tell you at the moment, but I'll dive deeper in this subject later on today or tomorrow, because I know the subject of the Bulgarian and Romanian mtb's provided by the Kriegsmarine was a topic on a Russian shipmodel forum some time ago
My source is "Dutch Warships of WW2" by Henk van Willigenburg (Emmen, 2010)
here's the part about the mtb's
same pics, now in larger size. zip files are actually rar files, but renamed to zip because rar file cannot be uploaded as attachments.
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Old 11-20-2019, 05:46 AM
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Nice looking boats. Are these scale 1:400 ?
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:27 AM
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They look great and a nice subject to work on. A much forgotten part of both world wars.
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Old 11-21-2019, 07:07 AM
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@wireandpaper

Scans of the original shipyard drawings for the Dutch mtb's can be downloaded from the Dutch National Archives:

visit this page

The website is in Dutch, but Google translate should do the job

go to section 1.2 (Stoom- en Motorschepen), continue to subsection 1.2.14 (Torpedo- en kanonneermotorboten.) Items 1841-1850 are drawings for the British Powerboat Co mtb's built by Gusto Schiedam. A set of 10 drawings in 1/12 scale

explanation:
1841 - profile
1842 - linesplan and bodyplan
1843 - 1850 - cross sections

downloading is easy, click on an entry, than click on "bekijk de scans" (view the scans). click on the "scans" tab, or the thumbnail image to view the drawing. on the right side of your screen you should see a "direct downloaden" (direct download) button. click on this button and after 20 seconds the download should start. if not click on the upperlink in the pop-up screen.
the drawings are royalty free, so you can do anything you want with those drawings.....

and if you do have time left, just browse the complete section, besides some famous Dutch warships as Java & De Ruyter, you will find shipyard drawings for some British and American warships as well. (aircraft carriers, fleet destroyers, escort destroyers) etc etc

have fun

still searching for some info about the faith of the mtb's built for the Kriegsmarine during ww2
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Old 11-21-2019, 11:49 PM
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Dear Foute Man:
You are an excellent resource and asset to the forum!
All those diagrams are very useful.
Regarding the TM 51 to 53 they look very similar (identical?) to PT-9 that Mr. Scott-Paine sold to the US Navy and the basis for the Elco 70', 77' and 80' classes of PTs.

As for the boats completed by the Germans they did a transformation of the hull from a length of 21.3m to 28.3 m and from a beam of 6.1 m to 4.46 m!
Growth hormones and Slim Fast?

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Old 11-22-2019, 12:25 AM
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By the way, Froute Man some time ago posted a site that has a collection of the Marabout Junior, there, there is a model of a Vedette Rapide, a Vosper Air Sea Rescue. But I can't read the "longueure" 20m???
http://ggmc.free.fr/maquette/index_2.html

the Vospers were 68' about 20.7 m. Different marks were produced between 1949 to 1971 of the Rescue and Towing Launches. Non have the serial 2135.
RAF Boats

Could this be the same?


ps: I am telling you Froute, you are an asset!

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Old 11-22-2019, 12:29 AM
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Nice looking boats. Are these scale 1:400 ?
Thanks for asking GlueIt:
yes, all my models are 1/400 including planes, dirigibles and tanks (with very few exceptions, but I do notice that).
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:46 PM
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Dear Foute Man:
You are an excellent resource and asset to the forum!
All those diagrams are very useful.
Regarding the TM 51 to 53 they look very similar (identical?) to PT-9 that Mr. Scott-Paine sold to the US Navy and the basis for the Elco 70', 77' and 80' classes of PTs.
Thank you for the compliment.... I just like roaming the internet for information and I'd like to share that information whenever possible....

Unfortunately I cannot find the exact posts about the mtb that were transfered to the Bulgarian and Romanian navy, but I could give you the link to the Russian forum.

I think you'll find this thread very usefull. About 19 pages of pictures and (scale model) drawings for various mtb's from different time periods and different nations. The website is in Russian, but again, Google translate does a reasonable job translating the information shared by modelbuilders, mostly from Russia and Ukraine....

And again, if you go to the ship modelling index page you'll find a lot of information about other subjects.
No need to register to download any drawing or picture, but if you want to post yourself, then registration is required and a post in Russian mandatory.... but again, Google translate will do the job for you

have fun browsing the forum
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Old 11-23-2019, 01:00 AM
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Thank you very much.

Here is a clip of a real Harbour Defence Motor Launch (HDML) playing a German patrol boat from the Guns of Navarone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjMrIj9cO68

enjoy
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