UK Modellers...what cardstock and where?

[airdave]

Sorry, but I don't want more general directions on how to look for suitable cardstock.
I don't need to try to explain to him how to hunt for cardstock, it isn't working (as I indicated).
He has no clue what "card" is or what cards/papers are used in papermodeling.
I tried steering him, but it didn`t work, and I don`t want to be rude to him.
He just needs me to direct him to a store and a specific product to purchase.

Kevin...Card measurement isn't really the factor.
I use a "type" of cardstock ...176gsm...
which has a certain finish, surface, feel and working properties that I like.
I don't use paper or coverstock or bristol...for printed parts.
I don't just use a thicker version of my 80gsm copy paper.
But I do keep using the same type of cardstock to maintain a known thickness value.

When people ask what I use or what I recommend, I tell them what I use.
Thats what this guy did.
But I already understand that brand names, card type names, weights and measures are all different in the UK
and thats why it is difficult for me to point him to a specific comparable item.
Thats why I thought a modeller in the UK could just suggest a specific thing they are using.

If the same product is not called cardstock in the UK, then I understand the increased confusion.
I was hoping for something like "go to Akhmeds Office Supply on Bleeker Street and ask for Cardorama 176gsm Craft Card"

John...I will pass along that ebay listing.
Except for the time needed to get it shipped, that might suit his needs,
but only if he is an eBay user. (I don't know)

Kevin...I didn't realize that metric-cardstock isnt a thing.

Doug, I actually sent him some pics, but I guess he didn`t use them.

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Can you point me to a comparable product (as what I use...see the attached photos).?
Can you tell me exactly where to buy this comparable product in the UK?
Please don't tell me what "search" terms to use on amazon or ebay.
Thats not what I am asking.

In fact, can you post a pic of the package of whatever card/paper you are using
and tell me where you bought it?
(Hopefully the type of card you might use on one of my retail models.
A Mustang kit, or the Centurion kit, or my PT Boat...where I recommed 65lb cardstock.)

[Gillian G]

I buy my paper and card from Hobbycraft which is a national chain and does mail order: http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/

I tend to use their own brand 120 gsm and 160 gsm paper:
http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/premium-...ts/584769-1000
http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/white-ca...ck/562238-1001

I've used 160 gsm paper on your mustang kit and it worked very nicely indeed.

Gillian

[SCEtoAUX]

Here are some of the cardstock that I use.

Neenah Exact Vellum Bristol 67lb/147gsm 8.5 x 14 in/216 x 356 mm


Neenah Exact Index 110lb/199gsm 8.5 x 14/216 x 356


Neenah Exact Vellum Bristol 67lb/147gsm 8.5 x 11/216 x 279


Neenah Bright White 65lb/175gsm 8.5 x 11/216 x 279


Neenah Bright White 65lb/176gsm 8.5 x 11/216 x 279


Michaels 65lb/176gsm 8.5 x 11/215 x 279


Sam's Club(Walmart) 110lb/199gsm 8.5 x 11/216 x 279


The 8.5 x 14 cardstock is used for printing A4 size pages. The repeat in sizes ans weights are because they jumped out at me on the website or the store and forced a purchase.

[airdave]

Doug....you're not in the UK! You're not helping. lol


Gillian...that 160gsm card might be a good option for him.
I have passed that along too.

[SCEtoAUX]

Yes, I know I am not in the UK, but those pictures of the various cardstock could be of some help in a shop to explain what is wanted despite your rude response. You can put as many lol's as you want, it does not change the fact.

As far as the Amazon sources, sometimes the same stuff on the Amazon USA site can be found on the Amazon UK site. Many times something on Amazon is available locally.

The Michaels and Sam's Club sources are just some additional information to perhaps help move things along.

Usually the more information that can be accessed the better the chances are that someone will recognize the product or something very similar.

[airdave]

No...you're wrong...
I've already explained that I have given this guy a ton of info regarding cardstocks.
I've already sent him photos of the same cardstock packages.
The same stuff I use.
It did not help at all.
Because, as we have discovered...the word cardstock doesn't even seem to exist in the UK !!
lololololololo lots of lols
The weights and measures are different.
The page/sheet sizes are different.
The manufacturers names are different.

It all serves to confuse this guy even more, because he walks into a UK Staples (different than NA Staples)
and asks for Staples brand 65lb cardstock (which I suggested)
and they have no clue what he's talking about.
I did already explain this.

This has been a huge headache for me.
I've had a dozen emails from this guy asking the same thing over and over.
I've explained everything I know about cardstock and suggested ways to look for it in the UK.
I don't have to bother with this guy...I could have just said "do a google search!".
But thats not what I do...I've put in time and effort trying to help this guy because he wants to build one of my models,
no matter how frustrating it gets.

Trust me, I've explained all this and more to this guy and he still doesn't know what to buy or where.
Thats why I specifically asked for UK modellers to tell me exactly what they are using and where they bought it.

I'm not being rude...I asked for something specific,
and although I do appreciate the attempts to offer some advice, its not quite what I asked for. Is it?
Had I asked for anyone's opinion and then complained about your location,
then I would be wrong.
But thats not the case.
Even the thread title states "UK Modellers"

Its not that I don't want your input, its just that I didn't ask for NA Modellers input.
So, if you wish to take that as rude...then I guess I'm done.

I added a "lol" because I honestly thought I was trying to be lighthearted,
and trying not to be rude.

Thanks all...never mind.
I'll just tell him I can't help. He's on his own.

[Kevin WS]

Dave,

The issues with (that will always remain) are the way the paper calculations are done in the US and in the Metric System

US.
The US standard is the most confusing - the same paper can give different values based on the “Basis Weight” applied while making the paper.

The “Basis Weight” is the weight of 500 sheets of paper in its basic unit uncut size - before being cut to size the paper is weighed to get the weight.

• But there are issues here as the basic uncut size differs depending on the type of paper! There are a number of paper types - Bond, Book, Index, Cover, Tag, Points, Offset.
• E.g. for "Bond" it is 17x22". For "Cover" 20x26" and so on....... This means that the Basis Weight differs between types!
• Additional factors also include (as well as the mass of the basis ream), the number of sheets in the ream, and the dimensions of a sheet in that ream.
• And the different paper mass also gives different weights.
  Higher lb weights also don't equate necessarily to heavier or thicker paper - for example 80lb Cover paper is thicker than 100lb text!
• The weight remember that is given is the weight of 500 sheets of paper in its basic unit uncut size.

Metric (and UK).
Simple - grams per square meter (g/m2) - for all types of paper and paperboard.

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The above means attempts to use conversion charts between US and Metric paper are generally doomed, due to the resulting confusion!

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Dave - you are talking about Card Stock. I think this may be what is called "Cover Stock" in the industry as well, and if so this would equate to yes, 176 gsm/grms - in the UK 160 grm paper is common, but 180 grm should be available as well.

You also mention 110lb =199 gsm. Is this now "Index Stock" (not Card Stock)? 110 lb of Index = 203 gsm. In Card Stock 110 lbs = 300 gsm - which is really heavy and won't fit in most printers.

Assuming this is Index Stock, then in the UK your customer should ask for 200 grm (available as a standard size). If it really is 300gsm then I have no ideas!

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Buying in the UK - apart from 80 grm, mail order (as has been mentioned) is the best route for the other sizes. Same day/next day delivery. And use grm/gsm as the measurement term.

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And Dave, you said "card measurement isn't really the factor."

I beg to differ - at the end of the day the client is trying to get the same thickness of paper/card you are using. So if you measure the paper, I can then do the same this end with Metric paper to check the above is correct.

Manufacturing tolerance on the paper thickness is 5-7%. So measure several sheets for an average.

And I'm not in the UK but the metric paper sizes are standard globally where they are used. And the end of the day we are talking here about a US to Metric conversion.

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[airdave]

Pretend your friend says to you:
"what kind of petrol do you use and where do you buy it?"

And you say..."search the internet for "Cars that use petrol"
and then you ask "how far do you plan on driving"
and then you say "you might want to get extra fuel if you are towing a trailer".

Then look and see how frustrated your friend gets.
LOL

Kevin...ALL DUE RESPECT to you and those who have posted...
I am aware of all of this and I understand all of this.
I'm not trying to compare anything, or relate US paper cardstock, or compare the thickness of cardstocks.
Thats why I said card thickness is irrelevent.

I have a guy with no understanding of how to build my paper model.
He wants to know what card to go and buy so he can get started.
Because he cannot go to the same stores as me, and buy the exact same product as me,
its pointless to tell him about US cardstocks, weight and measures, thicknesses,
conversion processes, name differences, the colour of the sky over Mt. Everest....

He's never even bought card for models before, so hes lost.

He wants me to say "go the the big red store, buy the blue package of No.1 paper, with the yellow rabbit on the front"

And thats all was asking from the UK modellers here.
Tell me which store you went to?
And which packet, of what type of paper, did you buy.
What stuff do you actually use?

I don't need tips on how to search the internet...I could outsearch the best of you.
I don't want explanations on what the differences are between paper and card.

At this point, I am beaten...
I am judged to be rude and arrogant for repeating my original question.
"UK Modellers...what paper/card stock do you use and where did you get it?"

As I said...let it go...Its hard enough trying to help this guy when I am in Canada,
but I don't need the frustration and angst of starting a fight.

[Kevin WS]

Dave - read my post again please. I have attempted to provide an explanation for those interested, and help for you for your client. Did I indicate that you must forward the explanation to your client? No.

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I don't know how to make it clearer. What I told you, I think is sufficient, and you seem to have misunderstood what I said so, I will repeat it......

For the client for the 65lb tell him to buy 180grm paper (or 160 if this not available). If the other paper is Index Stock (you haven't bothered to advise) then tell him to ask for 200grm paper. If he cannot find a stationers in the UK or use the Internet, then yes you have an issue.

It is as simple as that. Metric paper is metric paper and there is no brand magic involved. Most of it comes from the same few mills.

And rest assured in the UK if he searches the internet for 160grm paper, or asks a shopkeeper for it, or reads the label on the paper, there should be no issues.

[Utnapishtim]

Tell him to try W H Smith White Premium card 160 gsm, serial 34027332. My first go-to for anything that doesn't say something different.
HTH