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Old 02-18-2015, 03:21 AM
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Vintage Zeppelin (Epinal Grandes Constr. 389)

Found another nice Zeppelin to add to my collection. Epinal again, but this time no drawing detailed enough to help, and the resolution is too low to be able to read the markings for various parts. Does anyone have a higher resolution scan?
Full title: Ballon Dirigeable 'Le Zeppelin', Grandes Constructions 389.
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Old 02-18-2015, 08:57 AM
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The beginning is always easy. I divided the original in two parts and printed them on A4 paper to get max length for the body. The original is always too big for me. I am a great fan of adding formers for strength, and with a little measuring and some school maths (pi and all that: circumference, divided by 3,14 = diameter). Select 'add shape' in office Word and create and print the circles with the correct diameter. As easy as pie (forgive the pun).
Epinal models are often an impression rather than a model. So in this case, pictures of originals on Google Images do not help. I have figured out the tail rudders, but the other horizontal stabilizers are still a mystery: I really need help for that part!
In front of the body (or 'envelope', as I think balloonists say) the two gondola's ready to be cut out. The earliest zeppelin experimenters thought in terms of floating hangars and zeppelins landing on the water, so the gondola's are actually boats, complete with anchors. The X shapes are mooring ropes which can be anchored to the ground, to be used fore and aft. Probably a phantasy of the designer of this paper model: tethering a zeppelin to the ground both sides would soon lead to wind problems.
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Old 02-18-2015, 11:18 AM
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This should help it is another drawing from a similar Epinal Zeppelin basically the horizontal elevators are biplane wings stuck to the sides, fore and aft.



Moyennes constructions : Le ZEPPELIN, Ballon dirigeable militaire allemand. Imagerie d'Épinal Pellerin n°920. - Edition Originale - Edition-Originale.com
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Old 02-18-2015, 12:59 PM
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Yes, I had found that as well - but I'm afraid it doesn't really solve the problem. I hope to get more reactions to my request?
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Dear Diderick,
If you know this link, then do not pay attention to this post.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffet...0129899/page5/

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Orazio
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:13 AM
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Dear Diderick,
If you know this link, then do not pay attention to this post.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffet...0129899/page5/

Regards.
Orazio
Yes, I knew that site - always nice to browse. For those who are new to it: a mine of nostalgic pictures. Unfortunately my zeppelin is not there.
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Old 02-26-2015, 10:17 AM
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As so often in paper modelling, once one chooses a particular subject it can become mildly addictive. So I recently acquired a book with lots of b/w pictures: Peter Meyer, 'Das Grosse Luftschiffbuch' - still easily available via Bookfinder or similar sites. So I started comparing pictures, found more on Google Images, and came to the conclusion that this is a model / impression of the LZ-7. The designer has the nose and tail ends completely wrong, but the construction of the cabin convinced me. Also, the way the gondolas are attached in the drawing is very different from reality. However, especially the two pictures below solved my problem with the construction of the rudders.
The second picture also shows a bomb thrown from a Zeppelin on April 2nd 19.., but I can't make out the rest of the inscription. It has nothing to do with the LZ-7 'Deutschland', which crashed when forced down by a strong downdraft over the Teutoburgerwald in 1910.
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Old 02-26-2015, 11:30 AM
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That is nice Diderick.

Very interesting, quirky design!
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Vintage Zeppelin (Epinal Grandes Constr. 389)

Yes, Diderick,

Peter Meyer's book is indeed very interesting and informative, and has many fine photos and illustrations. I actually got it some years ago in a big presentation box together with a *plastic* LZ-129 Hindenburg model.

It is a very good reference book.

The Epinal Zeppelin model is very nice!

Bengt in Stockholm
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Old 03-05-2015, 03:28 AM
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I think this website might have the views of the stabilizers that you were hoping to find. It might also help to clear up the confusion on which Zeppelin the Epinal model is. But as they kept putting extensions in the mid section it can be a bit confusing to judge by the lengths of the airships in the photos.
http://www2.wbs.ne.jp/~s-c/airships/zeppelin.htm

You might find this paper model of a Zeppelin interesting.
JF Ptak Science Books: Zeppelin Paper Model, 1924

A scale model of an LZ 4 His model was on exhibit in the Zeppelin museum.
http://dirigible-modelers.lefora.com.../Zeppelin-LZ-4

Count Zeppelin with his daughter in the gondola of an LZ 3, close up shot, check out the bell in the gondola
http://www.magnoliabox.com/art/57512...f-zeppelin-lz3

closeup of the LZ 7 gondola (gondola is the secret password to finding these closeups)
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...if_gondola.png

LZ 10 gondola with Count Zeppelin inside
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-HIwSuJq8qqM/U7...jpg?imgmax=800

And because we all need a dose of laughter several times a day
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/suns-...landing-field/

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