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Tirick, don't hate computers. hate HP for making them so badly. You can be off cheaper with them, but if you just buy the loose parts (HDD, case, powersupply and optionally a videocard), you can get more trustworthy parts. A good computer store that isn't licenced to sell only A-brands can also help you select and advice you on what you need, and you can get a smooth running PC for the same money as the HP one, and even with better specs.
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