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Old 09-03-2022, 10:43 PM
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What do you think of the repainted drawings?

I also make the purchased drawings, but I also enjoy re-painting or transforming them.

Then I had a question and wondered what the forum or its members thought.
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1 - What do you think about re-painting the drawings I purchased for myself?

2 - Is it legal for me to continue repainting with scanned image files after I produce the original drawings?

3 - If I made it using my original drawing, can't I repaint it because I don't own the drawing?

4 - I keep the original drawings in my possession and keep making the re-painting drawings

5 - I also want to know what you think about writing posts on the forum's repainted drawings.

I hope you will help me with the solution to the problem.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:59 AM
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1. Lovely repainting.

2. If you are scanning a kit for the purpose of saving the scans as back ups in case you need to print a new part - thats okay.

But heres the thing...you are not supposed to scan a printed/published model.
If you do it, and build the scan, then the original still exists to be shared, sold, etc.
This is against copyrights.

If you scan to repaint, then build the repaint, the original still exists to be sold or shared.
This is against copyright.


*Note - stop posting full page images here without cropping or watermarking.
The original artwork is not your own and you do not have permission to post full size images like this. [...admin?]

Did you acquire the scan from the internet? If so, it is an illegal scan (against copyright).
This means you can't do wnything with it...you shouldn't even have it.


3. I do not understand the question.

4. You keep original drawings? How so? Do you mean you keep the original kits?
In other words, you bought the kits, and have the originals?
If the answer is yes, refer back to answer#2

5. If you repaint a kit that you have permission to repaint and wish to share the build, then do so.
But you cannot share the repainted kit with anyone.
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Old 09-04-2022, 10:50 AM
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I also make the purchased drawings, but I also enjoy re-painting or transforming them.
My apologies, but Im sure you can understand, we have a lot of people repainting files and sharing models that are not their own.
The topics I brought up, apply to all who want to create like this.


Am I not understanding?
...are you the original author of the model drawings?
Did you do them for a major publication?

I did not pay attention to your name and ID...lol...I just read the post and responded.

Obviously, if you are the original author of the artwork, then some of what I said does not apply.
In that case, if you still have original rights to the original artwork, then your repaints are completely valid.

Be careful, with commissioned artworks, and works sold to others.
You may not be able to self publish, or repaint, or use them in other ways.

Sometimes, when I created commissioned paintings, the customer also bought the exclusive rights to the designs.
Which meant I could reproduce the designs, or make posters, etc, or even share photos in my gallery (without permission).
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Old 09-04-2022, 01:13 PM
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Copyright issues are always a bit of a minefield.

Dave, when you say:

Sometimes, when I created commissioned paintings, the customer also bought the exclusive rights to the designs.
Which meant I could reproduce the designs, or make posters, etc, or even share photos in my gallery (without permission).[/QUOTE]

I would've assumed that if the customer had bought the exclusive rights then you could not reproduce the designs etc without their permission. Or have I misunderstood that?
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Old 09-04-2022, 01:33 PM
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sorry, just a typing error...could = couldn't


-copyright issues are only a minefield in discussion on forums.
-copyrights themselves are very straightforward.

-there are those who choose to ignore copyrights,
and those who look for any way of getting around copyright restrictions.



What is the model you have posted? (those large sheets, American F-14?)

I am still unsure as to whether you own the original layouts for this model
and what about the 'scans you mentioned?

Remember, even if you buy an original Halinski kit (as an example)
you still can't legally scan it and recolour it.
Even for your own use.
There is also a risk of someone else getting that recolour.

The only thing tolerated is scanning a kit for the purpose of backup parts in case something goes wrong with building the original.
And once you've built the kit, you should delete the scan.
It is also wrong to scan a kit, build the scan, and keep the original.
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Old 09-04-2022, 02:33 PM
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Sure, copyright, but it seems ridiculous for it to be illegal for me to change a paint scheme by drawing over it digitally, but presumably fine for me to get exactly the same result using some masking tape and acrylic paints. (If even that is techanically illegal than anyone who has ever used a pen to colour white edges is a criminal and intellectual property lawyers will be first against the wall when the revolution happens).
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You are using one argument to justify another.
"he stole one, so why can't I?"

The difference is one is a book...and one is a plastic model.
You are comparing two different things, and I think you already know the difference.

One requires you to build it to get to the point of using masking tape and acrylic.
You can't duplicate it by scanning it, or resell it unbuilt after you've built it.
Even the box needs to be opened to do anything.

A paper model, printed/purchased, is a book
...and books fall under different and specific protective copyrights.
They can't be dismantled and sold as separate parts.
They can be resold, but not as 'new'.
They can't legally be scanned or copied.


If you scan a paper model and then repaint it, you are doing two immediate things wrong.
First you are using someone else's artwork without their permission.
You didn't draw the original pattern, so you don't get to recolour it, or reuse it in a way that wasn't intended.
And you are duplicating a book, or someone elses artwork (illegal) and for your own purposes.

You are also able to build the model without having used the original.
So you now have two models...but you only paid for one.

And, as soon as a book or model is copied, it allows you to sell or redistribute the original...so now you have a free model that you should have paid for and didn't.

This is the same rule for free models.
Just because I give you a model for free, I still expect you to respect my copyrights.
The same rules apply.

Now...if you want to buy a model...in book form...
scan it...recolour the model...
build it... sign a contract saying you'll never give it away or sell it
AND then BURN the book you bought...
you are totally fine.
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Old 09-05-2022, 07:35 PM
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You are using one argument to justify another.
"he stole one, so why can't I?"

The difference is one is a book...and one is a plastic model.
You are comparing two different things, and I think you already know the difference.

One requires you to build it to get to the point of using masking tape and acrylic.
You can't duplicate it by scanning it, or resell it unbuilt after you've built it.
Even the box needs to be opened to do anything.

A paper model, printed/purchased, is a book
...and books fall under different and specific protective copyrights.
They can't be dismantled and sold as separate parts.
They can be resold, but not as 'new'.
They can't legally be scanned or copied.


If you scan a paper model and then repaint it, you are doing two immediate things wrong.
First you are using someone else's artwork without their permission.
You didn't draw the original pattern, so you don't get to recolour it, or reuse it in a way that wasn't intended.
And you are duplicating a book, or someone elses artwork (illegal) and for your own purposes.

You are also able to build the model without having used the original.
So you now have two models...but you only paid for one.

And, as soon as a book or model is copied, it allows you to sell or redistribute the original...so now you have a free model that you should have paid for and didn't.

This is the same rule for free models.
Just because I give you a model for free, I still expect you to respect my copyrights.
The same rules apply.

Now...if you want to buy a model...in book form...
scan it...recolour the model...
build it... sign a contract saying you'll never give it away or sell it
AND then BURN the book you bought...
you are totally fine.
I understood your story, airdave.

Please understand that my repainted drawings are of course purchased and scanned, and I have no intention of sharing them because they are for my satisfaction.

It is also true that I have doubts about the difference between publications and digital files.

I will not post on the forum because I have recognized that others are offended by the results of my repainting.

Thank you for your advice.
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Your repainting appears to be very good,
and you must have some skills with graphics software...

so why not try designing your own model?
And apply your repainting skills to it.

or, you could commission a designer to create a model just for you.
And then you have full control over repainting and distribution.

When I wanted a CL41 Tutor model, I commissioned Thai designer Nobi
to create the basic template for me
(because I don't have the 3D CAD ability...its a complicated design).

I then set to work designing all the additional details it needed
(cockpit, landing gear, wheel wells, air brakes, etc)
and then applying five different paint schemes.

Now I have five different Tutor models in my store.
Sure, I had to spend money for Nobi's help,
but these are retail kits, so eventually they will pay for themselves.

Just a suggestion, to help keep your work going.

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You are using one argument to justify another.
"he stole one, so why can't I?"

The difference is one is a book...and one is a plastic model.
You are comparing two different things, and I think you already know the difference.

One requires you to build it to get to the point of using masking tape and acrylic.
You can't duplicate it by scanning it, or resell it unbuilt after you've built it.
Even the box needs to be opened to do anything.

A paper model, printed/purchased, is a book
...and books fall under different and specific protective copyrights.
They can't be dismantled and sold as separate parts.
They can be resold, but not as 'new'.
They can't legally be scanned or copied.


If you scan a paper model and then repaint it, you are doing two immediate things wrong.
First you are using someone else's artwork without their permission.
You didn't draw the original pattern, so you don't get to recolour it, or reuse it in a way that wasn't intended.
And you are duplicating a book, or someone elses artwork (illegal) and for your own purposes.

You are also able to build the model without having used the original.
So you now have two models...but you only paid for one.

And, as soon as a book or model is copied, it allows you to sell or redistribute the original...so now you have a free model that you should have paid for and didn't.

This is the same rule for free models.
Just because I give you a model for free, I still expect you to respect my copyrights.
The same rules apply.

Now...if you want to buy a model...in book form...
scan it...recolour the model...
build it... sign a contract saying you'll never give it away or sell it
AND then BURN the book you bought...
you are totally fine.

No, I am not justifying theft of any kind, please do not strawman me. I did not say it's ok to copy to get something for free, I pointed out the stupidity of it possibly being unlawful to modify a model digitally, when exactly the same result could be achieved by hand - something which I know designers have no problem with on the basis of a recent build. Your last paragraph is in fact what I am talking about. Perhaps I wasn't clear that I was referring to painting an assembled paper model that I have paid to download or bought as a book - yes, some of us do this because printer ink is expensive and less realistic.



I am well aware that copyright (or copyleft and other names) terms exist which not only permit but encourage free distribution and modification. Those are of course a different kettle of fish.



The problem with these kind of laws is that they are very easy for powerful corporations to abuse on the spurious basis that some trivial modification constitutes 'loss' because they could have sold you an additional product - contributing to waste and over-consumption.
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