Chinese pirat: ALICE PAPERMODEL

[airdave]

Originally Posted by 3Turner

MBig....And unfortunately, like mentioned, there is nothing that can be done....

this is not true.

every week someone is hacking into my bank account, my mail account,
or just trying to get into my computer.

can't we find this guy and get him to mess up these Chinese sites instead?!

[nebeltex]

I work in the oil business... and in my spare time, I have been creating "decent" (not great) paper models. China cannot manufacture the oil exploration "drill string" metalurgy technonogy needed to properly access ALL the resources that their country consumes. for DECADES, "Western" companies have been selling them the products, BUT not the technology. They can "reverse engineer" all of the Ford focus (foci?) models they like. Bummer, for me and you. Sadly, It may be a victory for man-kind. "We have met the enemy, and we are they".

[bkensky]

Originally Posted by airdave

this is not true.

every week someone is hacking into my bank account, my mail account,
or just trying to get into my computer.

can't we find this guy and get him to mess up these Chinese sites instead?!

Lets hope some stealth hacker reads this text and does a social service by at least crashing that pirate site. I was in shock seeing the stupidity of the website going World Wide Web and putting free papermodels for sale.

They stole Russian technologies and now stealing free items and selling them. What an insane minds. I am really disappointed by this.

I don't mean to offend any good people around here who might be from China or of Chinese origins. I am just giving my views as I am dissapointed to find julescrafter's free airliner models for sale. One incident happened when I found some Pakistani guy putting julescrafter's airliner models for sale (Yes, pdf !!!). On requesting him to stop that, he replied of buying those pdfs from another source! and has full right to sale them!! What the Heck!! People have access to free models yet these morons tends to sale them just to make fun out of themselves :D

[bkensky]

At least they should have agreed to a terms and conditions with the original authors in-order to sale them.

[herky]

Not sure which is worse,chinese site thats sells a lot of models which are freely availible to most outside china or eastern european sites that give out freely models that are sold on legitimate sites.

[herky]

Originally Posted by airdave

this is not true.

every week someone is hacking into my bank account, my mail account,
or just trying to get into my computer.

can't we find this guy and get him to mess up these Chinese sites instead?!

Dave,as the only model designer i recognise by name in this thread want you view on a question.
Which would offend you more?
1;A site that offered free downloads of a model you had designed without your permission or authority
2; a site that was charging people to download a model that you had given away freely.
I just wonder which is the greater evil.

[airdave]

I'd say the first option.
Sharing my model without my consent or understanding.
In this case the original owner or author is deliberately being ignored.
The "crime" is clear...there is no gray area.
These people know exactly what they are doing and legalities don't matter.

The second option is just about making money.
Yes, there is little concern for the the original author or owner,
but in many cases it's a "crime" of ignorance.
(Ignorance of copyright and redistribution laws, as well as personal property).
The laws and legal concerns are not as clear and easier to ignore or misinterpret.

There are still many people who feel that if they acquire something for free,
it gives them free reign to do whatever they want with it.

The problem with Alicemodel is a problem beyond these questions.
Alicemodel and other companies like them are just flat out thieves and con-artists who are
knowingly stealing items from places outside their borders, assuming they can't be touched
by Western authorities and reselling those items (as their own) with no concern for law or personal property.
The only things they are ignorant of are...integrity, fairness and honesty. The fact that China is
producing an endless string of people and companies like this, says something about the country
as a whole (not the individual persons). ...sorry, too political?

[rush answer...did I think this through?]

[mbauer]

What gets me most about these pirate sites:
They steal the photos of the completed models, constructions photos, etc..

Too lazy to even put one together to take their own photos.

Might not sell as fast if designers didn't post any photos, just used text to supply info about the kit.

But then again, we should know that these sites probably have members imbedded in all of the forums, for the single purpose of downloading the latest "free Downloads" to add to the sites, meaning any build threads are probably searched for photos as well.

Mike

[CMDRTED]

too bad we can't have models that leave out a key part until something is agreed upon by the designer and the downloader. Kinda like bruce willis drill on armageddon, you end up with it backwards and bits flying off!

[herky]

Originally Posted by airdave

I'd say the first option.
Sharing my model without my consent or understanding.
In this case the original owner or author is deliberately being ignored.
The "crime" is clear...there is no gray area.
These people know exactly what they are doing and legalities don't matter.

The second option is just about making money.
Yes, there is little concern for the the original author or owner,
but in many cases it's a "crime" of ignorance.
(Ignorance of copyright and redistribution laws, as well as personal property).
The laws and legal concerns are not as clear and easier to ignore or misinterpret.

There are still many people who feel that if they acquire something for free,
it gives them free reign to do whatever they want with it.

The problem with Alicemodel is a problem beyond these questions.
Alicemodel and other companies like them are just flat out thieves and con-artists who are
knowingly stealing items from places outside their borders, assuming they can't be touched
by Western authorities and reselling those items (as their own) with no concern for law or personal property.
The only things they are ignorant of are...integrity, fairness and honesty. The fact that China is
producing an endless string of people and companies like this, says something about the country
as a whole (not the individual persons). ...sorry, too political?

[rush answer...did I think this through?]

I take your point regarding this specific site.As you say they work above laws that apply to most countries.I was just interested to see which was the bigger issue,ie people distributing other designers work freely or people selling them.