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Old 08-04-2022, 02:20 PM
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The first is mean of words in context of the following sentence: "Stone is slung under a high gear in about the same manner, chain being used instead of rope." (ABOK, p. 43, The Drayman, the last sentence). Is this is about stone lifting with some three legs mechanism and chain?
I would say securing rather than lifting, but I don't know for sure. "Stone" here is used in the same sense as "logs" in the text: Stone is secured for transport using a method similar to the one described for logs in the example, except using chain instead of rope. It's not a nautical knot, it's in the chapter "Occupational Knots" under "The Drayman":

"A drayman was historically the driver of a dray, a low, flat-bed wagon without sides, pulled generally by horses or mules that were used to transport all kinds of goods." Drayman - Wikipedia

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The second thing. There is a knot Diamond Hitch. Do it names originate from diamond - is a "stone" or diamond - is a rhombus, geometrical figure? Or both cases used. Then what cases one used, and where is the second used?
It's the shape. The illustration clearly shows the resulting diamond shapes. There's nothing about stones in the description of this knot. In fact, it is described as being for packing, as noted above. I would say in this context, the term "diamond" always refers to the shape. It's true that people sometimes refer to diamonds as "stones" but not in this context. I don't think actual diamonds play any role at all in this book and if they do, then a very minor one. I've never heard of an anchor being referred to as a stone, but I suppose it's possible. In ancient seafaring they used stones as anchors and some people in traditional societies may still do this. However, with the kind of ships that Ashley discusses, they certainly used iron anchors only, except maybe in an emergency.
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Old 08-04-2022, 04:56 PM
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I would say securing rather than lifting, but I don't know for sure. "Stone" here is used in the same sense as "logs" in the text: Stone is secured for transport using a method similar to the one described for logs in the example, except using chain instead of rope. It's not a nautical knot, it's in the chapter "Occupational Knots" under "The Drayman":

"A drayman was historically the driver of a dray, a low, flat-bed wagon without sides, pulled generally by horses or mules that were used to transport all kinds of goods." Drayman - Wikipedia



It's the shape. The illustration clearly shows the resulting diamond shapes. There's nothing about stones in the description of this knot. In fact, it is described as being for packing, as noted above. I would say in this context, the term "diamond" always refers to the shape. It's true that people sometimes refer to diamonds as "stones" but not in this context. I don't think actual diamonds play any role at all in this book and if they do, then a very minor one. I've never heard of an anchor being referred to as a stone, but I suppose it's possible. In ancient seafaring they used stones as anchors and some people in traditional societies may still do this. However, with the kind of ships that Ashley discusses, they certainly used iron anchors only, except maybe in an emergency.
A "Stone" is also an old English unit of weight, equivelant to 14 pounds.
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Gents, thank you for your answers.
When I say diamond is a stone, I mean gemstone (native crystalline carbon). Pardon me for this inaccuracy.
In Russian books about rigging, Diamond Knot (Knob, Button) has a name originating from the gemstone. That had been translated for so many years ago.
Picture #416 from ABOK, p.67 shows a rhombus from a rope. It is obvious. But what about #693 (ABOK, p. 121)? What is it? Is it a gemstone or rhombus?
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Old 08-05-2022, 01:04 PM
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When I say diamond is a stone, I mean gemstone (native crystalline carbon). Pardon me for this inaccuracy.
It's the same in English. There was no inaccuracy.

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In Russian books about rigging, Diamond Knot (Knob, Button) has a name originating from the gemstone. That had been translated for so many years ago.
Picture #416 from ABOK, p.67 shows a rhombus from a rope. It is obvious. But what about #693 (ABOK, p. 121)? What is it? Is it a gemstone or rhombus?
Thank you.
The shape is named for the gemstone and I think the knot is named for the shape. I can't think of any connection of any knot to the gemstone. However, I don't think anything like this can ever be proven.
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