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OK, I’m convinced. Shoot it or them to me. If you haven’t kept my email add, give me a pm.
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OK, I’m convinced. Shoot it or them to me. If you haven’t kept my email add, give me a pm.

ok thanks.
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Fuerza Aérea Mexicana - Mexican Air Force

Back in 2015 when I updated the P47 Thunderbolt kit (2nd Generation), I began a reference folder and filled it full of potential kit ideas.
I even had a "Mexican" folder in there...which I forgot all about until now.

Tigertony's great thread last year about the Mexican Air Force, and his fantastic repainted (super small!) SandP models,
inspired me to look into some Mexican Jugs and I quickly rediscovered my reference folder.

So after a little study, I settled on two P47 representatives of the USAAF Mexican Air Force.
I also have some reference material on T6 Trainers also used by the Mexican Air Force, so I 'm planning one of those too!

First up is this earlier Thunderbolt of the USAAF Mexican Expeditionary Force...displaying only partial markings of the Fuerza Aérea Mexicana.

There seems to be a lot of variation in markings, and since I had multiple original photos of this particular Jug (44-33721), it seemed like a good candidate.

papermate has test built the model for me, here are a few photos:

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To follow, I chose to go with a later Fuerza Aérea Mexicana aircraft that displayed all Mexican AF markings.
And Escuadron 201 seemed like an excellent candidate...I liked the graphics and squadron logo on the fuselage.

Again, I have some original photos, so there was no guessing on the paint scheme for this particular aircraft (44-9094/PZT-1001) .

And, once again, I found a lot of variations in markings and paint schemes, and once again, I referenced a specific aircraft found in some vintage photos.
I like the way the rear anti-glare was painted over in yellow.
Rather than rely on Artist profile artworks, or debates on plastic modeler forums, I prefer to look for real photos of the real thing*...more on that later!.

First, some photos of the test build by papermate...

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Both are great looking kits, Dave. Nice builds papermate.


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so...more frustrating research...re P47s

Sorry to say, most likely another case of "modeler's misinformation"...
each modeler just copying the last one, without researching for themselves.

Since I am continuing my updates of P47 kits, I am currently working on a couple of P47Ns.
Late and post second World War fighters.

As I search the internet, going from article to article,
profile artworks and scale model builds...
I'm having a hard time confirming the serial number of this P-47N "Chautauqua".
Every (modeler/artist) source identifies this aircraft as P-47N-2-RE which it is not.
So, is the serial number also incorrect?

I only have a couple of photos of this plane, neither showing the serial number clearly.

First I looked through the USAAF serial number catalog,
a/c #44-88259 (the claimed serial of Chautauqua) identifies as a P-47N-1-RE.
There is no other info attached regarding 44-88259.

Having done a bit more research, this entire block of P47Ns (549 aircraft)
are build "1-RE"...however some of these Thunderbolts were retrofitted
with wing mounts for Rockets ('Rocket Stubs'), and those P47Ns were redesignated as "2-RE".

The rocket mounts were fitted on the underside of the wings, outside of the Fuel Tank pods,
and because I have a photo that clearly shows this area of Chautauqua's wings, I can confirm
that this Thunderbolt was not retrofitted in this way.
So unless someone can provide proof that Chatauqua was retrofitted after this photo was taken,
I have to assume that every online source is incorrect.

That still doesnt help me with the serial number.
Right now I am looking through my aircraft books, and few more online publications, trying to confirm the serial.

[my apologies for oroginally posting this in the Kit Announcements area, when it should have been here]
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Dave, I keep my eye on your P47 posts because my
Middle School math teacher was a WWII jug pilot.
It was great reading your comparison to the B17 Fortress,
reading like the description for the A10 Thunderbolt II
which is nicknamed as the "Warthog".

Although the missions/mindset/battle order, etc. of WWII
didn't envision the role of the P47 as a multi-mission aircraft.
It was the starting point for the creation of the A10 "Warthog".


I didn't get to talk much with my math teacher about his experiences
in his Jug or squadron. I know it was in Europe, but I got the

sense that flying "Tank Busting" with rockets and stopping supply trains
wasn't a pleasant memory for him or other veterans. There were losses
to pilots and aircraft from enemy anti air weapons.
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I'm no expert, but I've heard that threats came from all directions.
Many of these aircraft flew low and slow enough that someone on the ground
had a good chance at inflicting damage with a hand gun or rifle.

And then theres debris and shrapnel from flying through your own attack.
Imagine how many planes were damaged or lost from that?!

But nothing compares to knowing that you may have just killed other humans.
Enemy or not, it must have been real tough on these guys.


..........
I just watched the film "Lancaster".
Made by the same people who put out "Spitfire" a few years back.

A good film...but to be honest, its less about Lancasters, and more about Bomber Command.
It touches heavily on the misunderstood actions of Bomber crews, and the very late recognition they've received.
The Allies killed a lot of innocent people too (in their efforts to end the war).
Collateral damage I think they call it.

But the public didn't always get the whole story, or understood the lengths that had to be taken at the time.
Even Churchill turned his back on Bomber Command after the war, focusing more on his political career.
He tried to distance himself from the negative opinions surrounding the various bombing actions that he authorized.
And as a result, British Bomber Crews did not get the same support, recognition or memorials as other branches.

These guys suffered through unbelievable hell, risking their lives night after night,
and came home to nothing but negativity about what they had done.
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