1:33 IIya Mourymetz

**Papercut** · #1 06-12-2009, 08:29 PM

I have been purchasing downloads for the last month, and I have to admit a download I received today really got me going. The kit is a aircraft of a four engine bomber as big as a B-17, but was built and put into servive way before the B-17 took to the air. What am I talking about: Sikorsky S 22 IIya Mourymetz. This thing is huge and has all the detail one could want. I purchased this big bad bird from Paperwarbirds.com. If you are into bombers, then this is a must. But be warned, it is huge w/a wing spain of over 36"s, which for me will meam displayed hanging from the ceiling.

**zot** · #2 06-12-2009, 09:39 PM

Looking forward to picking this one up myself. Will we see a build thread soon?

**SJPONeill** · #3 06-13-2009, 03:23 AM

Rather than start another thread on the same topic, I too just received this beauty via download from Paperwarbirds.com this afternoon...wow, baby!!

A 65 page PDF file in A4 format: 3 pages of history, 16 pages of detailed diagrammatic instructions, and the rest is a lot of parts.

There is a full interior, including bombs and both Lewis and Madsen MG armaments, templates for clear window parts, rigging diagrams, 10 part propellors, and very detailed engines.

Wingspan when complete is just over a metre.

**Papercut** · #4 06-13-2009, 07:57 AM

As the above has stated, this is not for the faint of heart, the engines alone are kits in themselves, not one but, four and they come in two versions. Laminated props, detailed interior and some of the best armament I have seen for a card model. Also included is a load of bombs, after all she is a bomber. While researching read where not a single one was shot down and would serve up to 1929!

Now in answer to the question of a build thread, yes there will be one soon but not of this one but, of another Sikorsky design which was the escort aircraft for this giant of the air, a Sikorsky S-16 (Gilsher) that can be built with three differant types of landing gear to include a really neat set of double spoked wheels which you wire/string up, a first for a paper model kit for me! As in the above kit, this one too comes with a highly detailed vickers and a engine that too is a kit . I am so impressed by these kits. Here is alittle note: the owner was concerned that the order had been delayed offered a full refund and or a kit, now I have purchased a great number of kits this year, from dealers and from download sites, he is the first to do this and I for one will purchase more of his outstanding kits just because he is willing to help make the sell a peasure

. It is this kit he sent for free that will be built, as a matter of fact, I will print out today and hope to start if time allows today. :DRick

**B-Manic** · #5 06-13-2009, 08:31 AM

Both kits sound very interesting Rick. I look forward to the start of your build.

Cheers
Reporting live from soggy Halifax, Nova Scotia
Douglas

**SJPONeill** · #6 06-19-2009, 03:57 AM

Okey-dokey...have been pouring over the instructions for this honey and while detailed are sometimes a bit inconsistent so far as the sequence of construction is concerned - no biggies but it will pay to think the sequence of assembly through. There are a couple of omissions that I have picked up:

There is no information on fitting the tanks to the fuselage (assembling the tanks, yes; fitting them, no); the 3 -view that comes with the model shows them just below the upper wing in the front view but just above the fuselage in the side view...the best guide I have found so far has been the image attached to Papercut's initial post above. This shows that the tank mounts are the two parts on page 21 of the PDF file with the four round holes in each. Take care with the tank placement as latter version had the tanks mounted above the upper wing.

The instructions for the Lewis gun do not show the ammo drum rings although the parts are provided on page 63. I think I will place strips across these parts to recreate the distinctive ribbed appearance of the drum magazine. Also the picture of a real lewis Gun on page 62 shows the high capacity double layer magazine no the more common flatter magazine shown in the instructions - I'm not sure which might be more correct for an early Ilya but suspect that the smaller, flatter magazine would be the way to go.

The instructions also do not provide any information on actual placement nor parts for mounts, spare magazine holders etc for any of the gun positions so some more research will be needed here. I'm hoping, if I can find it, the ICM 1/72 Ilya might provide a few steers here, otherwise I will have to see if I can get the Ilya Windsock for some guidance.

**SJPONeill** · #7 06-19-2009, 04:09 AM

The March 1991 issue of FSM has a detailed article on a 1/32 scratch-built Ilya but it is a G.3 from 1917 with some major differences from an early Beh: fuels tanks are above the upper wing, engines are different, the rear gunner's position is behind the rudder, the cockpit window configuration is different and there are waist gun positions on each side of the fuselage.

Having said that, it does have 1/32 templates for strut end covers and rigging attachments. The FSM builder used photo-etch for these but the strut end covers could be made from foil as there are not load bearing; the rigging attachment probably need to be PE or similar as it is quite likely that the rigging for this very big but very delicate aircraft may be supporting some of the load of the wings.

The FSM article has very detailed drawings of the rigging layouts which will probably apply to the Beh; and also shows each wheel correctly as two thin wheels encased in a leather casing which could be replicated in this Ilya but placing a spacer midway between the layers of the wheel parts provided and a thin paper cover over the surface of the wheel.

The article also shows some detail on the rudders and some instruments that aren't provided in the WOH model but some more digging is needed to see if these actually apply to the Beh. It also shows the control lines and 'horns' for the wing control surfaces which aren't provided either but which will be simple to produce from offcuts of the wing material.

**member_3** · #8 06-19-2009, 04:10 AM

Pay attention also to the relative positions of windows and openings as printed on the inside and outside of the fuselage. When I attempted this build a few years ago things did not line up. I notified Marcus but do not know if they got corrected.

**SJPONeill** · #9 06-19-2009, 04:13 AM

The instructions for both types of Sunbean engine are exquisite and I think this is where I will start - we have our biennial (one every two years) Model Expo in Wellington in September and while I don't think that I will have the Ilya complete by then, I definitely can have the engines done as models in their own right.

My biggest concern as alluded to above is the strength of the wing spars on what are very long but very thin wings. I think it will be a very fine line between the weight needed for strength along the span and the weight that the struts and undercarriage will bear before sag sets in...

**shrike** · #10 06-19-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SJPONeill

My biggest concern as alluded to above is the strength of the wing spars on what are very long but very thin wings. I think it will be a very fine line between the weight needed for strength along the span and the weight that the struts and undercarriage will bear before sag sets in...

Sounds like the rigging will have to be structural then<g>