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Old 10-17-2021, 03:35 AM
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Very, very good model sir! This is exiting for me because there’s a newly found (summer 2020) fluit wreck in the Finnish waters. You’ve heard about it for sure, ’The Swan’ from 1636. Shortly a documentary film of the wreck will be released. The wreck was found by diver tean called Badevanne (bathtub in english). Very funny name since the the Baltic Sea is litterally a bathtub when compared to the great oceans.
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Old 10-17-2021, 06:04 AM
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Thank you @Greg.S, @Philip,Tapcho and @et2B for your kind words. Paper is a fantastic material to shape in.

@Tapcho:
That is another interesting find, but the shape is quite different from the ghost ship: it seems sharper towards the stern and the taffrail is very narrow, as can be expected for the period around 1635.

@et2B: Certainly there is a way to get the lines of the model, but it takes some calculation to find the right scale for the various drawings. Here is the longitudinal section:
A 17th century Dutch fluit-doorsnede.jpg
Here are the front and aft view:
A 17th century Dutch fluit-vooraanzicht.jpg A 17th century Dutch fluit-achteraanzicht.jpg
Here is the side view:
A 17th century Dutch fluit-zijaanzicht.jpg
And I even can offer the layout of the planking on a 1/77 scale:
A 17th century Dutch fluit-uitslagen-gangen.jpg
The only thing you have to know about the measurements of the original ship: 90 x 23 x 9 Amsterdam feet (25.47 x 6.52 x 2.55 meters). The length (25.47 m) is measured between the outsides of stem and stern and on the topside of the keel.
The width (6.52) is measured over the outsides of the frame at the height of the depth (2.55 m) measured again from the topside of the keel.
I doubt if I ever did a building report on this one, but within the rest of this thread I think you can find some help in cases of doubts.
I'm afraid I almost have no shots of the model under construction, just some sketches of how the bulwarks were constructed and to fake them:
A 17th century Dutch fluit-verschansing-constructie.jpg A 17th century Dutch fluit-verschansing.jpg
For the rest you are on your own :-).
Good luck!

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Old 10-17-2021, 06:21 AM
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Sorry, I suddenly see that some drawings are extremely small. Maybe this 1/77 pdf does a better job. But beware, I changed the interior fore and aft a bit..
scheepje.pdf
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Old 10-17-2021, 07:01 AM
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Great information Abhovi, thank you so much! I ad here few more pictures on the fluit Swan found in Finnish waters. These are copyrighted either to Badewanne or film production company Handle Productions. Among them a drawing and a 3D-model. I have to do much research if I start building this ship and Iíll study your threads thorougly once again.
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Perhaps this tutorial helps a bit to show how the hull was done: How to scratch-build a simple period ship. And another one for a bigger type of vessel: A 17th century Dutch armed trader – scratch built from card [COMPLETED BUILD] | Ships of Scale
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Old 10-17-2021, 09:15 AM
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Thank you again Ab! I'm meeting Rdk aka Radek next Wednesday btw. We share interest in dutch merchant ships.

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I will!

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Old 10-17-2021, 11:47 AM
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Thank you

Dear mr Hoving,

Thank you for the draught.
Just got your book about the Tasman ships, and I am enjoying it a lot.
Still busy with a Kogge at the moment (from model shipyard) but would like to start building dutch traders afterwards... But perhaps I should start with a smalschip or wijdschip... But she looks mighty tempting

How did you make the plank drawings?
And do you make them for all your new builds?

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Old 10-17-2021, 02:28 PM
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The plank drawings are made by my loyal co-worker Rene Hendrickx, who is a master with the free ship design program program Delftship.

A 17th century Dutch fluit-persp.1.jpg A 17th century Dutch fluit-persp.-2.jpg

But you are right. It is better to start with a small model to find the right materials and develop some routine. It is something that has to grow.

Have a good start!
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