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Old 10-11-2021, 07:14 PM
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Cruiser Hr. Ms. Java

Has anyone published a model of the Dutch cruiser Hr. Ms. Java or Hr. Ms. Sumatra (1:200, 1:250, 1:300, 1:400 scales)?


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Old 10-12-2021, 07:04 AM
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Hello Maurice,

Unfortunately the Java/Sumatra have not been issued by any paper modeler.

The only Dutch cruiser available from the 2nd World War is the De Ruyter, which is still available by Scaldis/JSC.
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Old 10-12-2021, 08:44 AM
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A few years back I provided Mr. Halinski with a lot of data and photographs from Hr.Ms. Java/Sumatra, he was planning to make a card model of the ship, but until now no result. I will contact Mr. Halinski about it shortly !!
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:29 PM
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In case you decide to scratch build Hr.Ms. Java or Hr.Ms. Sumatra, there's an extended set of (scans from) drawings available as free and legal download at the website of the Dutch National Archives, just click on this link

Attached drawings/images are just samples, the original drawings/images are much larger in filesize
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Old 10-13-2021, 05:39 AM
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I got an answer (e-mail) from Mr. Halinski this morning, see attachment:
So for the near future there will be no model from Halinski !!
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Old 10-13-2021, 05:52 AM
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I have a question though for "Foute Man" en Hans van de Pavoord, do you guys know what these arrow lines with "2K" and "1K" mean in this drawing of Hr.Ms. De Ruyter ?????? (See attachment)
Shown in this drawing is the fore ship with the crew quarters, with tables and benches (B & T in the drawing)!!
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Old 10-13-2021, 09:11 AM
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Hello John,

I am afraid that I cannot help you. Maybe someone else would know.
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Old 10-13-2021, 09:50 AM
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Couldn't tell you from the screenshot, could you give me the number of the drawing, maybe if I know the "context" or purpose of this drawing I could figure it out, but I cannot guarantee anything
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Old 10-13-2021, 12:31 PM
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Tekening nummer is: 3247 Pantser-Tussendek II
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Old 10-13-2021, 02:01 PM
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Het enige logische wat ik kan bedenken is dat het gaat om verschillende type kasten. Vergelijk bv de tekening van het voorschip van de De Ruyter met de tekening van het voorschip van de Tromp (tekening 3575). Beide tekeningen zijn in het zelfde tijdvak gemaakt.
In het geval van de Tromp wordt aangegeven om hoeveel kasten het gaat en of deze groot of klein zijn.
In het geval van de De Ruyter vermoed ik dus dat 1 staat voor een kleine of smalle kast en 2 voor een grote of brede kast. De locatie van type 1 (in de meeste gevallen tegen de scheepswand of tegen het gangpad aan) versterkt mijn vermoeden, maar goed, zeker weten doen we het pas als we een foto hebben....

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The only logical thing I can think of is that it concerns different types of cabinets. Compare, for example, the drawing of the bow of the De Ruyter with the drawing of the bow of De Tromp (drawing 3575). Both drawings were made in the same period.
In the case of the Tromp, it is indicated how many cabinets are involved and whether they are large or small.
In the case of the De Ruyter I suspect that 1 stands for a small or narrow case and 2 for a large or wide case. The location of type 1 (in most cases against the ship's wall or against the gangway) reinforces my suspicion, but well, we'll only know for sure when we have a photo....

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