Aegean ships - Page 2

**doctormax** · #11 09-29-2009, 03:51 PM

really that be cool I know they used good sources for that building and used the same style of building as in the fifth century bc. I don't think i be the best designer for doing it do far better at looking for plans and things than designing with the software I just cannot figure out how to use sketch up or any of them softwares

**cdavenport** · #12 09-29-2009, 03:51 PM

DoctorMax is right on the money about the oarsmen of these vessels. In fact, according to the records, they were highly skilled and highly valued.

I saw a Discovery Channel episode where a British team reconstructed a ram from brass to see how much damage it could do at 7 knots, which was the battle version of the trireme's claimed speed. The damage to a hull was terrific!

And, trials with the Olympia decisively proved its ocean going capability as well as sustainable 7 knot speeds. As if that isn't enough, the Greeks could haul these things out of the water to dry out the hulls so those speeds could be attained over the life of the hull.

Remember that it was the Greeks who kept the Western world safe.

**papermodelfan** · #13 09-29-2009, 05:08 PM

I have built the Schreiber models of the Greek bireme and the Roman freighter. They were both nicely detailed, colorful, and very satisfying as models. More Aegean models would be welcome. Rob Tauxe

**cdavenport** · #14 09-29-2009, 07:56 PM

I did such a good job on that Schreiber bireme that somebody stole it! that is a beautiful kit for sure. Your two models are very nicely done. Congrats!

Since this gentleman is seeking input, or so it seems, what about Nero's pleasure boats that were recovered from the Italian lake and subsequently destroyed?

**doctormax** · #15 09-30-2009, 04:32 AM

sirinyildiz sorry I kind of took over your post a bit there, I for one would love to see some of them beautiful fishing boats you see in harbours in the Aegean sea done in card and the aegean sea has a long history of ships of all sizes if you did go doing them you would be have choices of models for years to come.

**Wyvern** · #16 09-30-2009, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by papermodelfan

I have built the Schreiber models of the Greek bireme and the Roman freighter. They were both nicely detailed, colorful, and very satisfying as models. More Aegean models would be welcome. Rob Tauxe

Great-looking builds, Rob. I've been wanting to do the Roman freighter for a couple of years, but haven't been able to find one for sale on the 'Net, except in Germany.

Wyvern

**dto** · #17 09-30-2009, 10:17 AM

The Olympias is currently drydocked in a climate-controlled exhibit space, so I don't know if she is still a commissioned ship in the Hellenic Navy. But back when she was still in active service, the Olympias was duly included in both Janes All the World's Fighting Ships and Combat Fleets of the World. Along with the USS Constitution (the oldest ship still currently in commission), Olympias stood out amid the listings of modern aircraft carriers, submarines and destroyers. Certainly she was the only warship with "ram" cited as "main armament", and "oars" as "primary propulsion"!

I wonder if Olympias ever participated in joint NATO naval exercises. The USS Nimitz might have needed an escort... ;-)

See: http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/trihrhs_en.asp

**Gixergs** · #18 09-30-2009, 11:42 AM

Just as a bit of trivia and because she was built just down the road but HMS Victory is the oldest ship still in commission( Laid down 1759 launched 1765) given the current defence cuts she is also likely to be back on patrol soon.

**papermodelfan** · #19 09-30-2009, 05:57 PM

Well one ship that is not available in any form that I know of is the old ceremonial galley of the Doge of Venice. It was almost sacred - a deeply beloved and respected ship, called Bucentaur or Bucintoro. It was used for the annual ceremony in which the Doge, on behalf of Venice, was married to the Ionian Sea. Napoleon burned it in 1798, when he took over the big Venetian naval base Il Arsenale. There are still little bits and pieces in the Naval museum there, and a nice model, and it appeared in many paintings. the Venetians have a plan to rebuild it. See Wikipedia: Bucentaur

**dto** · #20 10-01-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gixergs

Just as a bit of trivia and because she was built just down the road but HMS Victory is the oldest ship still in commission( Laid down 1759 launched 1765) given the current defence cuts she is also likely to be back on patrol soon.

I know about the HMS Victory, but she's not included in Janes All the World's Fighting Ships, unlike the USS Constitution. I suspect the Royal Navy has a special classification for HMS Victory that's different than an active service commission. Possibly it's because the HMS Victory is in permanent drydock and cannot return to sea. (I've read that her masts are actually attached directly to the keelblocks to ease the strain on the hull.)