New Sketchup plugin coming soon! - Page 2

**looker** · #11 10-14-2009, 08:58 PM

ROI v VFM (value for money). For sure being a sucker is not the same as being a socialist. BTW stop using it as a hide behind word, such use is offensive to people who understand it's actual meaning. What about Paperbeam's suggested alternative?

**RyanShort** · #12 10-14-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by looker

ROI v VFM (value for money). For sure being a sucker is not the same as being a socialist. BTW stop using it as a hide behind word, such use is offensive to people who understand it's actual meaning. What about Paperbeam's suggested alternative?

1. I do understand the meaning of the word.
2. I've already got that downloaded and intend to test it a bit.

Ryan

**lancer525** · #13 10-15-2009, 06:24 AM

No, you obviously don't understand the meaning of the word, in this context. In fact, if you really knew what "socialism" was, instead of buying into the great lie about what certain political groups want you to think it is, you wouldn't have proven Lincoln correct. Off topic for this thread, but you just don't know what you're talking about, frankly.

Back to topic: None of us (to the best of my knowledge) are the specific type of professional at which the original was precisely aimed. I'm not in the market for the first one, I never will be, and I prefer not to spend on any person or company that acts like they're doing me a favor by even talking to me. I'm not a high-end graphics designer, computer game designer, or any kind of entity that something like that would even be aimed at. I don't claim to be. If I can't find a tool that costs what I am willing to put into it (nothing), then I don't need it. There are other ways around it.This isn't the end-all and be-all of my life. I've paid hundreds of dollars for specific books or sets of documents for my profession, but I buy used paperbacks for personal reading. It's a hobby. If it were someone's complete and total livelihood, then I could understand it.

**RyanShort** · #14 10-15-2009, 06:45 AM

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Socialism - An "economic, social and political doctrine which expresses the struggle for the equal distribution of wealth by eliminating private property and the exploitative ruling class. In practice, such a distribution of wealth is achieved by social ownership of the means of production, exchange and diffusion."

Ok, it probably would've been more precise to use a different word - like marxist, maybe, but the point is that I believe a workman is worthy of his hire and should be allowed to charge what he thinks his product is worth. Generally, I would still stand by my original comment in the way I meant it. I also didn't say YOU were one, I said I am NOT one.
Key things that make my comment correct - your reference to "profiteering", reference to their "snarky tone", etc... I thought no such thing of their reply and was frankly a bit offended by your response, which wasn't really relevant to the question. I thought their reply was completely fair, and showed that they actually might consider lowering their price to make a product available to a new group.
To your second point, if you're not interested in their product or price, then why get bothered about it?

Ryan

**member_3** · #15 10-15-2009, 07:43 AM

Thread Subject - New Sketchup plugin coming soon! Please remove your Political Science 101 discussion to a more appropriate setting.

**RyanShort** · #16 10-15-2009, 07:57 AM

I would SERIOUSLY like some more feedback on the price issue. Sorry for the tiff.

Ryan

**looker** · #17 10-15-2009, 08:04 AM

Not sure that trying to dissuade the presentation of narrow minded offensive bigotry based on ignorance can be called a discussion. Anyway, leaving that aside, it's a crap programme with little capability for which they're trying to get too much money.

**RyanShort** · #18 10-15-2009, 08:38 AM

Looker and Lancer,

Before you ever replied to this thread I had invited the programmer to look at this thread, and was hoping for a WAAAY different set of replies that would be useful to both him and me.
I'm going to say this once, and then I'm done with the thread. I think my initial response to your post was a bit hasty and probably could've used some more thought, but I think you're the bigot here. I posted a reasonable question, you insulted the designer and me by your comments - which addressed your worldview, not the question, and then don't have the guts to admit that your initial post indicates that you didn't like someone's capitalistic ideas and feel they should give them away. And you called the program what you called it "%*&#" - which is offensive. Have you even test run the demo?
I like free models and free software, but if there is a piece of software that will save me time, and help me accomplish something, there is legitimacy to the designer asking for me to remunerate him for his time and effort. Guys like Chris G are in my opinion the reason for the explosion of new and exciting models because it's actually making it possible for some to put more effort into it since they are being (actually poorly if you look at the time vs. money) compensated.
To me, it's pretty clear you really weren't interested in the product that much to begin with.

Everyone else,

Please forgive me for letting this thread get to this point. Back on topic, what programs have you paid for (like Pepakura, Rhino, Waybe, etc...) and what kind of price would a program like this be worth to you if you find the demo useful?
Also, as far as that other program goes, it looks like it might be worth trying, but the problem would be converting the resultant file into something another program can use. This piece of software puts it directly into Sketchup, which has already been proven to be capable of unfolding models.

Ryan

**rickstef** · #19 10-15-2009, 08:45 AM

Ryan,

knowing what some of the prices are for the various softwares we use, and if I were a designer, I would be ok with a price of anywhere between $35-$50.

At least for this hobby, such a cost can be reclaimed more easily than say a $100 or higher price tag.

Rick

**B-Manic** · #20 10-15-2009, 09:01 AM

It is a plug-in so I think a retail one time price of 49.99 is pretty reasonable. I am not a fan of annual pricing schemes. They usually lead to upgrades to the software that are only used by a relative few and cause problems with the functionality that the majority of users want. All this in order to justify the annual fee.