laminating paper from a mold - Page 7

**Gil** · #61 10-06-2008, 02:57 AM

I've been experimenting with fibers, again.

Some of the development rules are:

1.) Easily recreated by any card modeler from cheap and highly available materials.
2.) Yields an equal if not better surface quality than paper.
3.) Equal or better strength than paper.
4.) Bonds with PVA (white glue).
5.) Accepts any water based paint.

As some of you might have guessed already, a successful path has been found and progress is being made. I'll see if the Dawn plus talcum mixture works tomorrow or the next day.
What is interesting is that the cast paper shrinkage, which to this point was viewed as a problem. actually turned out to be a positive for the solution...,

+Gil

**stone** · #62 10-06-2008, 03:05 AM

Please, please, Mister,please Sir, mr. Gil,
Do tell !! Don't keep us hanging out there amongst the wrinkled paper,in eternal fear of the petal.
The dental stone casting material is the stuff I used as well for my mold, it becomes almost rockhard but takes a few days to harden completely. I'm told dental labs dry it under vacuum.
Is there a European equivalent for "Dawn" or will any detergent do ?
Charlie, hadn't realised the rayon process had been invented that early, always thought it was a thing of the thirties.
regards,
Serge

**ARMORMAN** · #63 10-06-2008, 01:26 PM

Lancer,

I forgot I had a couple of containers of that stuff around until you mentioned it! Now I know what to do with it!

**lancer525** · #64 10-06-2008, 07:12 PM

Stone:

I honestly don't know what the Euro-equivalent of "Dawn" dish detergent is, but I do know that you can also use Ivory Liquid hand soap in its place. I have never tried any other products, and cannot answer using anything else. If you're not in a place where American stuff can be ordered, try doing a search (I prefer alltheweb.com instead of the G one) for "Online Supermarket" and see what you find. I only stand behind Dawn and Ivory as the two that can be used.

Armor:

Glad to be of service, my friend!

**Gil** · #65 10-06-2008, 10:17 PM

Hard soap is made from Sodium Hydroxide. Soft or liquid soap is made from Potassium Hydroxide. That's the major difference.
Liquid soap is used as a vehicle to distribute the talc evenly on the mold surface and won't attach or interfere with whatever that's being molded (at least that's how it's supposed to work)....,

More on the project if it works or silence and sulking if it doesn't or better yet just words...,

+Gil

**Gil** · #66 10-07-2008, 01:14 AM

Tried Soft Soap, a hand soap. It's too thick so I tried cutting it with a little water. Big No, No. It just foams up. I did take a look at Dawn at the supermarket today and noticed it was less viscous than the liquid soft soap. Live and let learn. I'll just look for the cheapest, low viscosity dish soap tomorrow.

I am trying something with the over foamy concoction tonight though. It's a test at slip casting using acrylic gesso. So far, so good...,

Stay tuned for the next episode; "Will the Gesso Release or Will it Stick?"...,

+Gil

**stone** · #67 10-07-2008, 03:21 AM

Gil,
By slip do you mean slip as in glazing pottery and gesso as in the material used for preparing canvas or boards for painting ? It all sounds extremely intriguing.
Serge
Lancer,
thanks for the advice in re Dawn.
S.

**redhorse** · #68 10-07-2008, 07:21 AM

Slip casting gesso. That does sound interesting...

**Gil** · #69 10-07-2008, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stone

Gil,
By slip do you mean slip as in glazing pottery and gesso as in the material used for preparing canvas or boards for painting ? It all sounds extremely intriguing.
Serge
Lancer,
thanks for the advice in re Dawn.
S.

Hi Serge,

Yes, on both accounts.

+Gil

**stone** · #70 10-09-2008, 04:09 AM

Right good people, this is the end of the papershaping by laminating in a negative mold thread. See Gil's new thread on casting paper. I'll bet this is going to be an extremely good one.
Serge